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Coins Vs. Compass Points

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 Posted 08/14/2011  08:46 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list

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I have no idea why I did this, but here goes.

You need a few more hobbies.

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I have traveled all over the US today and I think I have most of the coins matched up.

So just how did you do that in one day?
Fantastic. I really think you need something better to do with your time that is left here on Earth. First thing that came to my mind was what would you do if we had coins that had scenes from outer space on them? You would have to go there to figure those out.
One of the worst parts of all your research is it is a post here and will slowly vanish into some unknown place. As more and more people post something, all your information will slowly go away sort of. Possibly start a book on coins explaining what is on them and why and where item is pointing.
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 Posted 08/14/2011  09:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list

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Ike, top is North.
Susan B, top is North.

Since both the Ike and SBA dollars show a stylized view of space, including the Earth, I assume you mean "top is Celestial North".

By my calculations, on July 20th 1969, an observer on the Moon standing facing looking at Earth would be facing in the general direction of the constellation Pisces. Since the Earth appears to be the "right way up", the North Celestial Pole would indeed be in the direction of the top of the coin.

Using galactic co-ordinates, the Galactic South Pole should be just out of the field of view, somewhere in the direction of the bottom of the coin.

Space numismatics trivia point: On 20th July 1969, the Earth from the Moon was seen in gibbous phase - missing a crescent, just like in the famous Earthrise photo taken by Apollo 8. On the actual Apollo 11 mission badge, the Earth is shown correctly. However, on the coin, the artist chose to alter the design to show a full phase Earth. If the Earth had actually been full while the astronauts were on the surface, as seen on the coin, it would have been lunar nighttime at the landing site, and they would have been walking around in the dark...
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 Posted 08/14/2011  10:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add numismaniac to your friends list
Wow, when I started that post I had no idea how much work some people would put into it. I don't have time to go over all of these now, and quite truthfully may neve have enough time, but you sure did a lot of work. Very interesting
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 Posted 08/14/2011  11:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DBM to your friends list

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One of the worst parts of all your research is it is a post here and will slowly vanish into some unknown place


Interesting facts,thank you
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08/14/2011 11:10 am
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 Posted 08/14/2011  12:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add southsav to your friends list
Nice job, now get some rest.
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 Posted 08/14/2011  1:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Yokozuna to your friends list

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So just how did you do that in one day?

1. Sleeping wife.

2. All of the travel was done using Google Earth.

3. I did have to read about several historical events to determine the direction of travel in the depiction on the coin.

4. Some, I just knew.


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First thing that came to my mind was what would you do if we had coins that had scenes from outer space on them?


The Eisenhower and Susan B. Anthony are images from space, but Google Earth lets you "fly" into space. (I had the basic idea correct, but Sap helped me with the proper terminology.)

Thanks for the nice comments from everyone and thanks again to Sap for the FIRST corrections to the list on the Ike and Susan B.
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 Posted 08/14/2011  4:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hockingzig to your friends list
Just from memory,on the New Hampshire quarter,the "Old Man" was on a south-facing cliff at least in relation to the north-south road along the exposure. Now,that being said,the road at that point may not have been a true north-south segment,so you may be correct. The "Old Man" was one of my favorite US landmarks growing up,I was sad to hear of his passing.
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 Posted 08/14/2011  4:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Yokozuna to your friends list
hockingzig, Thanks for the info. I'll look at it again. It's one I had problems with using the image from Google Earth. I didn't think about trying the flight simulator to get the right angle. I'll go make a few passes through the area to see if I can nail it down.

Yes, I know. I have no life, but this is fun!

UPDATE: Okay, that really helped! The road is not true North-South at that section, so The Old Man was looking to the South-East. To look at his left cheek to match the image on the coin, you are looking South-West.

This shot shows what's left of the top after the 2003 collapse. The road in the background is looking along a North-East to South-West line. http://static.panoramio.com/photos/...49709219.jpg

This composite shows just how much of The Old Man of the Mountain collapsed back 2003. http://static.panoramio.com/photos/...55992717.jpg
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 Posted 08/14/2011  4:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list

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The Eisenhower and Susan B. Anthony are images from space, but Google Earth lets you "fly" into space. (I had the basic idea correct, but Sap helped me with the proper terminology.)

No I mean really, really outer space. The coins on those planets they are now just finding out about.
OK so everyone here thinks they know North and South on coins. Now what happens when you stand the coin up? Or the coin is upside down? And if face down, you really don't know which way any of them are facing. Actually if the coin is face down, how do you know that there is even still a Obverse? It's like that old Science problem of if a tree falls in a forest and there is no sound collecting device, was a sound really made?
And now here is one more. Which way is the 5 pointing on a Shield nickel?
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No I mean really, really outer space. The coins on those planets they are now just finding out about.


I'll have to work with Sap again when we come up with a coin with another planet, galaxy or any other celestial body on it. I'm sure he can help me get the alignments to the Earth's poles correct. The exception would be for a black-hole, because we can't see beyond the event horizon, I think it would just be a blank planchet. I've seen lots of those and they have no top or bottom. I would make an exception if the sculptor can somehow capture the "Hawking Radiation" that is emitted by a black-hole, but as it's not visible to the human eye, I'm not sure how it would work.


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Now what happens when you stand the coin up? Or the coin is upside down? And if face down, you really don't know which way any of them are facing. Actually if the coin is face down, how do you know that there is even still a Obverse?


As for coins being turned upside down, sideways or on end, it shouldn't change the orientation of the object on Earth, so it's the same no matter what you do with the coin. I always use a glass table top, so I know the coin still has an Obverse.


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It's like that old Science problem of if a tree falls in a forest and there is no sound collecting device, was a sound really made?

No, if nothing can hear it, it was just vibrating air, not sound. Something has to be able to perceive the vibration for it to be sound. The way I see it is if my hearing aids have a dead batteries, no one rang that doorbell.


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And now here is one more. Which way is the 5 pointing on a Shield nickel?

I flipped a coin a 7 times and it came up West 4 times, so it's West.
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 Posted 08/14/2011  9:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John Bonzo to your friends list
I appreciate your research, and I bet you looked a lot closer at most of these coins than you ever had before!
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 Posted 08/14/2011  9:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list
Now the previous reply shows everyone just how smart, intellegent, up to date with laws of the Universe coin collecting makes people. Without coins so much would be unknown.
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 Posted 08/14/2011  9:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Yokozuna to your friends list

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One of the worst parts of all your research is it is a post here and will slowly vanish into some unknown place. As more and more people post something, all your information will slowly go away sort of.


Once I have all of the information correct, I'll be adding it to the CoinFactsWiki so that it will never be completely "lost to the ages."


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I appreciate your research, and I bet you looked a lot closer at most of these coins than you ever had before!

I had fun doing it. I'm used to looking at coins close-up, but this was a different way to look at them. It made them much more real to me. Now it's not just an image on my pocket change, I can see the design as a real place when I think of them.

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08/15/2011 9:28 pm
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 Posted 08/15/2011  10:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ricardocody to your friends list
After posted on internet it ll be there forever , fact !
Dont worry ! My wife think I'm crazy everytime I spend minutes looking close to a coin with a magnyfing .
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 Posted 08/16/2011  4:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add southsav to your friends list
Next time someone decides to do something like this give us all a headsup first. We can go outside at the appropriate time and wave up to you while you look down.



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