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 Posted 10/09/2011  7:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list
Believe it or not nobody knows for sure where the 'Southern Mint' was. His coins are an area that we are not at all sure about. In all honesty these coins are usually attributed wrongly by the sellers so you should prob do it again yourself.

I attributed some of mine recently so will dig the links out for you. I could only find 2 reliable websites on the subject. Nice coin, the Gallic Empire is a very interesting subject, one of my favourites

Here is some info on how it all started with Postumus while I search for your links.

https://goccf.com/t/76996
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 Posted 10/09/2011  7:27 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add VisigothKing to your friends list
Very interesting info guys! I just love finding out the history behind my Roman coins. A nice surprise too, learning it's a Gallic Empire coin.

BTW it's 3 grams and 19 mm.
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 Posted 10/09/2011  7:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list
This is one of them - may take a bit longer for the second.

http://www.forumancientcoins.com/la.../gallic.html

The mints are named on this page but some of the references just state things like 'Mint I / Mint II' as we dont really 100% know.
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 Posted 10/09/2011  7:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add VisigothKing to your friends list
Just saw your link and my coin is under Cologne (since mine is Providencia Avg).
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 Posted 10/09/2011  7:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list
Not sure who put the site together but its good one and the writer really seems to know his stuff - thats prob as good an attribution as you'll find on the net.

You can also record your coin as an 'Issue 5' meaning chronologically it was the last to come out of that mint - date wise late 270-271 would be correct.

This is another example where bust styles have been used to differentiate coins to certain mints and overall styles have been used (or at least partially used) to put the coins in some kind of issue order.
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10/09/2011 7:53 pm
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 Posted 10/09/2011  8:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add VisigothKing to your friends list
The seller attributed it as RIC 61. The RIC 61 description and pic on Wildwinds seem to match, and also Helveticas also seems to be in agreement with the attribution.
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10/09/2011 8:11 pm
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 Posted 10/10/2011  05:05 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sel_69l to your friends list
My experience says it is relatively easy to obtain the antonininanii of Victorinus, in nice condition. I would certainly bypass the lesser grade coins of this Emperor for better grade ones, because I know it is practicable to do so.

Same applies to the coins of Gallienus Postumus and Tetricus.

A lot of military activity happened at the time of the Gallic breakaway, and a lot of coins were needed to finance that activity. It also explains the heavy debasement of the coinage (inflation) at this time.

This is one of many reasons why the U.S. is having financial problems, what with military exploits in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan. It all costs money, and there has been little financial return from it.

It was during this time that the very rare double Aureus (Binio), was introduced for a short period. These gold coins have a radiate crown image of the Emperor, just like the antoninianii.

I have a gold plated antoninianus of Postumus in As Struck condition, and although it is not worth much, it does look nice!
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10/10/2011 05:23 am
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 Posted 10/12/2011  9:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add VisigothKing to your friends list
Just got it today (if Monday wasn't Columbus Day I would have gotten it yesterday). It's even better in hand! I just love the detail in Victorinus's bust.
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 Posted 10/12/2011  9:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add VisigothKing to your friends list
Got it along with a Probus that I won from the same seller. I'll be posting that one when I have the time.
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 Posted 10/12/2011  10:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list
I'm looking forward to seeing the images. As I said, I love the Gallic Emperors, but Probus coins are interesting too. Even though generally plentiful, some of the designs on his coins are amazing.

JW
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 Posted 10/12/2011  10:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add VisigothKing to your friends list
Yeah, especially Probus on horseback, which is the one I got. Rome mint with "R thunderbolt Z". It's not in the best of shapes but I got it mainly because I really like the reverse design.

Edit: had to put mint mark in quotes because "R" kept changing to "are"
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10/12/2011 10:51 pm
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 Posted 10/12/2011  10:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list
Yeah, that's a nice design and I love the thunderbolt exergue. Again, I'm looking forward to seeing the images.

JW
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 Posted 10/12/2011  11:01 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bing to your friends list
Regarding your edit comment: I noticed that on some of my posts and just thought I subconsciously wrote "are". Hmmm, interesting. I'll have to watch for that the next time.

JW

P.S. are (thought I'd try it) yep. It did it to me. Good to know
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10/12/2011 11:01 pm
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 Posted 10/12/2011  11:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add VisigothKing to your friends list
It's because the forum software thinks you are using text language (since in text lang "R" would be are, as in "how are u" - how are you), so it changes it to the appropriate word.

Edit: it just changed it again after I wrote my example
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10/12/2011 11:11 pm
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 Posted 10/13/2011  01:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobbyhelmet to your friends list
Something interesting about these Gallic coins that most often the Obverse is in better shape than the reverse, yours looks about the same both sides Jango, something less common than most realise.

Its usually very noticeable on the coins of Victorinus and Tetricus. Its thought the reverse dies were cut 4 or 5 times less often than the obverse ones. If this was done to same money or for another reason I dont know.
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