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I Think I Passed A Counterfeit Bill

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 Posted 04/22/2012  07:44 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add elfof4sky to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
My business contact showed me a bill I gave him with the ink running a little bit like it got wet. I don't have a picture. Does this make it counterfeit or is this effect known to happen occasionally or what? Thanks.
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 Posted 04/22/2012  11:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ink doesn't run on genuine US currency as far as I know. What did they do with the note?
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 Posted 04/22/2012  7:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ZiggyZ to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It could be a production error called a solvent smear, which makes the ink run.
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 Posted 04/22/2012  11:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add D0ubl3Eagle to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have seen currency with a little bit of ink bleed but usually it is very minor.
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 Posted 04/25/2012  6:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add elfof4sky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Okay thanks. I think it's fine, because I haven't heard anything further about it from him.
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What denomination was the note? The notes from $5 - $100 have many anti-counterfeiting measures to check them with. And an ink smear isn't one of them.
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 Posted 05/02/2012  8:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ninamason to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've seen bills with slightly (key word: SLIGHTLY) smudged ink come through my register. In 14 months I've gotten two fakes, and in both cases the dead giveaway was the feel of the bill: bill paper is very distinctive, and if you handle it much at all, you can spot a fake from a mile away.

Here is the process I use at work for spotting fakes. I removed the "magic pen" that we use because while these are available at stores like Staples and OfficeMax, they're worse than useless--leave them uncapped and they'll give you false positives, spray a fake bill with hairspray and they'll give you a false negative (I kid you not, hairspray will mark a fake bill as valid).

First, hold the bill up to the light: on the right-hand side there should be a watermark that appears lighter than the surrounding bill. Dark, clear watermarks are actually a picture printed on something similar to tissue paper and sandwiched between layers of (fake) bill. The watermark should match the portrait on the actual bill, e.g. a $100 should have an old Franklin on the right, a $20 should have Jackson looking upward, etc. Next, look for the security strip. This will be printed with, for example, "US 50 US 50 US 50" (on a $50) and will be to the left or right of the portrait, depending on the denomination.

Finally, run your thumbnail over the President's (or Franklin's) coat. On a real bill, even the small portraits dating back to the 1970s that I sometimes get, the coat will have raised ridges (on a $20, it will be raised hatchmarking) that you can feel with your nail and sometimes even the pad of your finger.

There are other anti-counterfeit measures, but these will let you spot a fake very quickly most of the time, and if you're concerned about scaring customers or merchants (I get a lot of skittish people when I have a hard time finding the watermark), the thumbnail test is quick and unobtrusive.
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 Posted 05/04/2012  3:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wquinn to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the great tips.

Paper money is printed with the intaglio method. That is why you feel the raised print on it.
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