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Hi I know that's impossible be sure without a complete legend on the obverse. However I'd like to have your opinion about this little V century Ae 4. On the obeverse we can see:a bearded man,an S,a strange letter before that can be an E bad done, and a bad letter after that look likes a P,so I can imagine ES PF AVG as we usually read on the righ side of johannes obverses,DN IOHANN-ES PF AVG.(the first letter seems a V but if you look under light you can se the left part of the V's barline is a sign on the patina,see picture number 3,and the right part of the V'barline is curve). The portrait style looks barbarian like Johannes coins,even the nose,the beard and the ball eye look like other coins I've seen around. The reverse is unfortunately gone:with much fantasy under light we can imagine the structure of a victory advancing left. Max diameter 11mm weight 0.91 g.All opinion are welcome. The question is, does this portrait looks like a johannes one?or maybe other opinions(like Eugenius maybe....) Thanks in advance. p.s. You see the coin on paper towels because I put some wax on it to preserve the patina that tended to flake.   here before the wax,see tha the V isn't really a V    Edited by giano
08/14/2012 11:44 am
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Thanks echizento.Yes I know.... for sure it's impossible but In my opinion the portrait is very similar to Johannes style.For sure I haven't seen a similar portrait on an Ae 4 in my hand before...other ideas? And for sure here there's a beard  |
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I really tried to see the E you are describing, but I still see the V. But I do see what looks like a beard on the bust, so maybe there is still some hope it is Johannes.
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I think you may be right. Looking at on-line resources, I can see the resemblance to Johannes coins. Much like this one: http://wildwinds.com/coins/ric/joha...C_1910_S.jpgIf I had to make a guess, I would go with what you already have identified. If this holds, you will have a fairly rare coin. My fingers are crossed and my thumbs are tucked. |
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I see the beard and IMO it looks more like Eugenius than Johannes.
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It's an entire week I'm studying this coin during my spare time. The enigma can be resolved only if I can understand it there's a V or an E before the S. As Valiantknight says under some light you see a V but as you can see on pic number 3 under another light the left part of the V's barline is a fracture on the patina,and the right V's barline is curved like an epsilon like E.maybe in this pic is showed better.  Unfortunately I think it's impossible see and understand if it's a bad E. For sure there are two rulers with beard and similar portrait,and two rulers with only two letters on the right side of the head:Johannes in this case ES PF AVG and Eugenius with VS PF AVG,for sure after the S there's a P on the coin. I had seen the pic that JW put on here and seemde similar to mee too. But even if you look at Eugenius portraits it's similar and the face is elongated like my coin;I think even Eugenius can be possible.look at this eugenius coin http://wildwinds.com/coins/ric/euge..._RIC_47a.jpgI can even add that the general style is a bit barbarous like johannes coins and looking around not alwys the E is clearly readable on these coins,and generally all the legend is poorly struck.I think that johannes can't be excluded for sure maybe I'll put a big ?in my classification tag  However both Johannes or Eugenius are still welcome in my collection  Edited by giano
08/14/2012 1:53 pm
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I see a "v" before the "s".
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some friends suggests me Eugenius.
JW if you write eugenius ae4 on google there are a lot of similar portraits....mhhhhh maybe it's really eugenius and it's really a V.
Do you think it's a rare ruler?I mean rare as Johannes?
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This is a hard one for sure. You say even in hand it's hard to tell for sure. I'm still inclined to think Johannes, but if it turns out to be Eugenius, it's probably just about the rarity. Both are hard to find in any condition. If it's important to you to be sure (it would be to me), I would send it off for expert analysis. Otherwise you will always wonder.
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I'm inclined to believe it's Eugenius, I agree with JW the only way to know for sure is to send it off to an expert.
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Posted 08/14/2012 11:38 am
