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Thracian Cheronesos

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 Posted 10/02/2012  11:06 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add einhard to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
I'm doing a bit of research on one of my coins, a silver hemidrachm from the Thracian Cheronesos. I'm a bit confused however, as the seller has the site listed as in the Crimea, near modern-day Sevastopol, whle other sites maintain it was located on the Galipoli peninsula. So, which is correct? I suspect the latter, purely from my own researches.

It's this coin:

Thracian-Cheronesos

Merci bucket!
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10/03/2012 01:24 am
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 Posted 10/03/2012  7:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add einhard to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Anyone?
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 Posted 10/03/2012  7:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stevex6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
ummm, not me ... pretty coin though!!

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 Posted 10/03/2012  7:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add VisigothKing to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I know next to nothing about Greek coins but I do know a good-looking coin when I see one, and yours is definitely a nice one.
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 Posted 10/03/2012  7:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Doucet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
einhard

I looked things up last night but had no time to post.

I think you are correct your coin is Thracian Cheronesos. The other city is in the Crimea , on the Black Sea but called Chersonesus. The seller may have got confused. There are more place called the same thing with different spellings. In Greek it means penninsula.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chersonesos
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 Posted 10/03/2012  8:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add einhard to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the replie all.

I think you're correct Doucet. It's a tad odd because the seller is a well-established dealer with huge experience in the area. Everyone errs though- do you think I should point it out to the seller? They still have a record of the coin on their site.
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 Posted 10/04/2012  6:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add augustus1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There are two different cities with the same name in the same region, Thrace. Mixing them up is an easy mistake to make. The one at Sevastapol in the Crimea is "Tauric" and the other, "Thracian," is where your coin comes from. For the Crimean site, known for its unusual Byzantine coins, see

http://esty.ancients.info/Cherson/

The other site is thought to be near Gallipoli, but I don't think it has been archaeologically located.
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Thanks for that augustus. Much appreciated. I think I'm gonna settle with the Galipoli site. It seems to fit. I'll contact the seller too, just to let him know.

Just in case anyone's interested, here are a few links to information on the Thracian Chesonesos:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thracian_Chersonese

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper...thracica-geo

This book seems to have a huge amount of info on the area, thought unfortunately it's redacted:

http://books.google.ie/books?id=Lcf...uest&f=false

The city of Kardia is speculated as the mint for these coins. Here's info on the city:

The city of Kardia was founded at the mouth of the Gulf of Melas in the Thracian Chersonesos by merchant settlers from Miletos and Klazomenai in the late seventh century BC. It prospered as a trade emporium aimed at business with the local Thracian tribes. The city attracted the attention of Peisistratos, the tyrant of Athens, who sent out Miltiades the Elder in 560 BC with additional Athenian colonists to settle in Kardia.

Around 524 BC, Hippias, the son of Peisistratos, sent Miltiades the Younger to the Chersonesos in an effort to keep the territory under Athenian hegemony. To this end Miltiades settled further Athenian colonists and fortified the city. However, away from direct supervision, Miltiades tended towards autocracy and acted very much like an autonomous king in Thrace. He became a satrap of the Achaimenid Persians and accompanied Dareios on his disastrous campaign against the Skythians. However, always the opportunist, Miltiades supported the Ionian Revolt against the Great King and was forced to flee Kardia and Thrace for safety in Athens in 493. At this time Kardia was largely abandoned in the face of the invading Persian army.

Once the Persians were defeated by the precarious league of mainland Greek states, Kardia gradually returned to its former economic glory. In the fifth century the city continued to be under Athenian hegemony since it was an important center in the so-called Thraceward Region. During the course of the Peloponnesian War Kardia became an object of conflict between Athens and the native kings of the Thracians and Macedonians, but it never fully left the Athenian sphere until 352/1 when it allied itself with Philip II of Macedon.

Kardia also remained on good terms with its Macedonian overlords in the early years of Alexander the Great and sent a number of its citizens in the army of the king for the war against Persia. Two of Kardia's most famous sons went on this expedition, Eumenes, who became secretary to Alexander himself, and later a dynast in his own right, and Hieronymos, a friend of the former, who ultimately entered the service of Antigonos Monophthalmos and wrote an important history of the period from the death of Alexander in 323 to the death of Pyrrhos of Epeiros in 272.

When in 309 BC Lysimachos set out to found his own capital he destroyed Kardia and transferred its population to his new foundation of Lysimacheia. However, the destruction was not complete and by the third century BC Kardia again had inhabitants. Although Lysimacheia remained the capital of the Chersonesos throughout the Hellenistic period, by the first century AD it had fallen on hard times and Kardia reclaimed its position as the preeminent city of the region.


Hope people might find this useful in future!

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10/04/2012 8:20 pm
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 Posted 10/04/2012  8:50 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Doucet to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Indeed, I will buy a Thracian Lion coin like yours sometime in the future. I will refer back to this thread and it's links when I do.

Muchas Gracias
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 Posted 10/04/2012  11:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Nice details on your coin--and thanks for the history!
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