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 Posted 10/06/2012  3:30 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Schwanke to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
So I am starting to coin roll hunt errors/varients and was wondering how I look to see if I have 'something strange'?

"Common sense" tells me I just take two decent examples of the type of coin and compare them and if they are exactly the same I know what the base looks like and if they are different I know, ironicly, one of them is a varient on the first try (even if its just PMD).

Does that make sense?

The other option that sounds like a rather pain is to try and 'memorize' from a book a 'standard example/ of the coins and then compare that to the one I want to check. That involves finding an example, when I figure hey, I probably have hundreds of examples of completely normal coins sitting right here! .

Opinions? I mean it does involve finding two shield pennies or two log cabbin pennies but enough of them are around I save one till I find the next and go from there.

I'm figuring I have enough brain cells to compare two and then I can keep one as standard for that type for the rest.

Thanks!
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 Posted 10/06/2012  4:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Tip:put together a roll set of year and mint mark.
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 Posted 10/06/2012  5:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Schwanke to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hehe. frankly I would if I had the space. But that involves a LOT of rolls and a lot of space to store them on top of everything else I already have for the hobby. Sadly due to my living arrangement I only have so much space. :(
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 Posted 10/07/2012  12:44 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pennysaver to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hi Schwanke. Yes, that's the way I find the majority of my varieties and error coins. I just compare, compare, compare. I find that I can't memorize every single detail of each penny and nickel I look through, especially since the difference between 2 coins may only be a "far" or "near" variety, or a size variation in some small detail of the coins. I also use a 10x loupe to aid my search, although I have a 5x as well which works pretty good too, and I'll spend an evening or some early morning before work going through only a certain year of a certain denomination (say all my 1979 pennies, or my 1984 nickels, etc). This helps varieties stand out, because you're searching through coins which all should be exactly the same, and all the ones that aren't are your varieties and errors. Also looking through the various error websites and of course, our own dear CCF, will help you identify which errors are still out there to be found and will often have great pictures for you to see the differences.

Hope this helps!
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 Posted 10/07/2012  12:56 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Schwanke to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It does. In fact I'm seriously considering doing what John1 suggested of a complete roll set of year and mint mark. If I sort them by that and then check them by year as I fill the rolls it will do as you said, let me compare likes. I'll also know which ones are hard to come by when I have like 5 rolls of something and 2 singles of something else lol.

Only problem is my mild OCD wants to do this for EVERTHING! LOL! Pennies, Nickles, Dimes, Quarters. Never find halves or dollars so those are out, for now. But doing a year and mint mark roll for everything back a 100 years would probably be close to 1000 rolls lol. Even if I had a place to put them all sorting them and organizing them would be a pain!

I am considering it though lol. What I wanna do is I wanna see if I can build simple inexpensive sorting cases using the BCW clear tubes. Get some stiff wire and make some 'boxes' that hold the tubes up straight by interweaving the wire then have each tube labeled and see how many of these I can make. 1000 tubes in 100 tube boxes isn't entirely the end of the world. Probably one set of shelving in my storage area. Plus it gives me an excuse to 'save' money without having it in a bank. I can always sell a roll of my least favorite if I'm desperate lol even if its face value for a couple of apples at the grocery store. .
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 Posted 10/07/2012  5:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pennysaver to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I love saving and looking through pennies (as you probably guessed by my handle) for a couple of different reasons. One is the great number of varieties there are to be found, while another reason is that they're so inexpensive. I can't bring myself to spend a penny or give one away -- dimes, quarters, dollars, sure, but pennies I hoard. I have over 40,000 of them -- over $400.00 face value worth -- and save every one because there might be a new variety I haven't found yet. I'm not saying that you should save up so many, but whatever you do have, if you can afford it and you have the room, just keep them handy and keep your eye on these boards - new varieties pop up all the time and you can then revisit your rolls again. I'm not in your shoes, so I don't know for sure of course, but you may find, your OCD permitting, that you only need to save one or two denominations this way and it'll cut down on your space requirements in the long run. If not, well, maybe you can get rid of your bed and sleep on your big pile of coins like Scrooge McDuck! (lol). Happy hunting Schwanke, and I hope you find your happy medium!
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 Posted 10/08/2012  1:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Owassokie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
pennysaver, I respectfully disagree with the idea of keeping a coin that is worth face value, just in case there is a new variety that may be discovered. Let me put it this way for all us OCD types. Coppercoins.com has 2839 copper varieties for your viewing and reviewing pleasure. First off, for even the most OCD of us, we probably aren't reviewing all 2839 known errors/varieties. But, just in case you are, lets say a new one is discovered (#2840). Would you be better off looking back through your $400 to see if you happen to own this new variety/error, or go through $400 in new change, possibly finding one of the more well known or valuable varieties along the way?!?!

Its easy to get bogged down in the details of this hobby and let hoarding instincts kick in but I think its better to take a macro-view of our situation. If a coin has been reviewed for value and you have access to new coin, you shouldn't spend time double checking coin that has already been reviewed for some errors/varieties.

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 Posted 10/08/2012  2:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pennysaver to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Would I go through $400 worth to find a new variety? Actually, yes I would, as I enjoy the hunt. While I don't have OCD and wouldn't pretend to know exactly how it affects a collector, (and believe me, I don't mean to make light of anyone with it -- my apologies if I have offended someone for that wasn't my intent), I do get a great enjoyment out of occassionally re-going through my stash and finding a new variety. And that's the beauty of our hobby -- there are so many ways of enjoying and approaching it. Some collect known varieties and types only, others enjoy the repeated looking to find something previously missed or discovering new types -- it doesn't really matter as long as it's fun. I'm more of a detail-oriented person, so that getting "bogged down" in those minor details doesn't bother me, in fact I kind of enjoy it. Some people can get overwhelmed if they don't have a workable discipline in their approach to the collection, while others keep it simple to maintain a viable approach to their liking. And when it comes to certain things, like pennies, I'm a hoarder, but I've come to live with that and make that urge work for me.

You also mentioned a coin being "reviewed for value" -- I hope you mean value in the sense of it's belonging in the collection, not in it's actual monetary or collector's resale/buying value. I myself don't care about the retail value of a coin if I get it for face value. It's nice to find a coin worth $20, but to me it has the same collectable value as one worth $1 -- it fills a hole in my set and that's what I like and care about.

I respect your opinions Owassokie, I've read some of your other posts and enjoy them and I'm glad you took the time to respond to my post, and that's part of what this hobby is all about -- an exchange of ideas and opinions. I wish you continued success in your own efforts to putting your set of coins together, and in the ways you find most enjoyable.

Cheers!
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 Posted 10/08/2012  3:06 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Libertad to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Schwanke, I have a feeling that you're more of a tactical type of learner. (Hands-on)

Keeping the best is a good way to go. But if you're not sure of something, then keep both, 'cause you never know! It wouldn't hurt.
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 Posted 10/08/2012  3:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Schwanke to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Owassokie and pennysaver. Thank you both for your input. Its nice to see differing views and how they can interract. I myself am only begining to 'explore' the parts that I like about this collecting and for all I know I may totally change my tastes 6 months to a year from now and 'spend' half my collection and start collecting something new.

Its funny but I originally got into world coins and in fact have some 12 pounds of them with a good 1 to 2 pounds of 'reasonable' ones that I could have fun adding to a collection. But I fell into this CRH stuff and now I am caught in this. Maybe after I CRH for a while I'll switch back to world and get that off the ground. No face value there. Its all personal choice since I cant spend any of it short of the cannadian .

Libertad. Yeah I am very hands on learner. But I am going through the coins I find and trying to 'focus' myself on 'feeling' the coin and then comparing it to another one and so on. Like I have a fairly good 'feel' as to how Lincoln's ear should look so I dont need to worry too much about that. Or the pillars on the monument or the shape of the shield on the new ones. Just as I go and look I am getting a feel.

But as I said above I am getting different 'winds' as I go along. Like now I wanna collect by year and mint as was suggested and then after I have a few of the same year THEN look for varients.

I personally could actually see myself enjoying hoarding ALL american coins and just sorting them into rolls and then if I really end up with 5 or 10 rolls of something spend them or bank them or something. I manage my money very well and I have to keep under a certain limit for the government so its actually reasonable for me to invest large, by my standards, amounts of 'cash' in a 'cash collection' just so long as its actually a collection and not me just saying 'Oh yeah I collect 20 dollar bills, see, here is my stack of 100 lol. If I am actually sorting and enjoying the collection and its an actual hobby I can argue its not just me banking cash and has to be accounted to the government though I hope I never have to proove that. I spent 50 or so $US on coin roll cases for my State Quarters so clearly I have 'lost' money on those considering they are all only worth face value but then if I collected a roll of each making it 500$US it might sell for slightly over to pay for the rolls. (Especially if they are all good versions and not just slop off the bucket.)

Thanks everyone for your input and please keep it coming. I like this, even the derails. :) I dont mind if people derail my threads, I enjoy the variety and I have to resist doing it naturally to others .
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 Posted 10/08/2012  7:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Owassokie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Im throwing the OCD term around a bit too lose, I'm sure. I just figure that most of us that go through coin have some similar characteristics to someone who suffers from OCD. Maybe I should say OCD tendencies or something.

Pennysaver, I obviously missed or didn't understand the enjoyment you get from reviewing coin and finding a missed error/variety. I stand corrected. Hobbies are about entertainment and fun. I have this nasty habit of looking at everything from an efficiency perspective. I also have this habit of assuming everyone else is just like me...ha. My apologies.

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 Posted 10/08/2012  7:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Schwanke to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yah. I throw the OCD term around loosely too. I'm not diagnosed with it but I do have a lot of similar tendencies to people that I know that are diagnosed. Same with hoarding. I used to want to collect the bottle tabs off of soda cans once. Just because. I always have some lame excuse like "It'l come in handy some day." Or "I might use that for art." but it never does and I never do. So yeah, mixture of hoarding/OCD tendencies does lend itself to being a part of this hobby.

I practically am drooling over the idea of seeing how far I can get in a full set of a roll each of pennies/nickles/dimes/quarters in years/mints/etc. Of course space and money are the issue. Money not so much for pennies and maybe nickles but getting into dimes and quarters on top and going back 80 years plus State Quarters plus 2 to 3 mints per year sometimes on different coins. It gets into overkill range pretty fast but still fun to try. See where it goes ya know?

But thats the point. Having fun. Right now my 'having fun' is to try. In my gaming world I call it the 'fun factor'. If a game starts loosing its fun factor you move on. Same in collecting. If I loose the fun factor of collecting all this then I have to make changes to my goals until the fun factor comes back.

True for all of us I guess unless we go towards something like turning it into a business/profit where it becomes necessity or maybe obsession. :P
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 Posted 10/08/2012  10:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pennysaver to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Owassokie: No offence taken my friend, no need to apologize. You didn't come across harsh in your post so it's all good.

Schwanke: Yep, just do what feels good at the time. We all change up our collecting habits from time to time, and re-arrange our areas of focus or even change it altogether -- even if that means selling off the old stuff to make room for the new, or if the original stuff doesn't have the same appeal as it did. And if you do get into the selling end of it after a bit and decide to make some money at the hobby? That's a good thing too -- and a good way to make some extra cash for those goodies you want to buy for the collection! Cheers!
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 Posted 10/09/2012  11:44 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Owassokie to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Schwanke, For me, this whole "coin thing" started because I was investing in precious metals. I was doing some research on silver and came across this idea crhing. I've been hooked ever since. And by hooked, I mean hooked. If you would have told me 2 years ago that I'd be looking through 'pennies' one at a time, I wouldn't have believed it. No one in my family collected coins, or anything for that matter. It came very natural to me but I guess I had just never been introduced to collecting. I don't know how much time others devote to this hobby but I typically spend at least 40 hours a week, not including pickup and dumps. I do look at it as a combination of hobby, savings, and investing.

Btw, I'm kind of in shock right now. I've never counted the number of hours I spend on this. Guess my wife really has a good reason for being irritated at me.
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 Posted 10/09/2012  1:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Schwanke to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hehe Owassokie. Glad you had the revelation. . I could see this turning addicting very quick for me. I'm glad I dont have TONS of money to blow on this or TONS of space. Even collecting a roll of everything hold the mayo is both daunting and limiting. But yeah. I hate sundays because inevitably I am out of rolls and inevitably I have the itch to search. Though irony I have depression streaks from my bipolar so I wont wanna 'get out of bed' to go to the bank to get them. . Hard to explain to people sometimes how you could be addicted part of the time and totally not wanna deal with it others but it happens to people in my medical condition.

If I didnt have the bipolar I could see myself spending 40 hours a week easy. Love to do a massive binder and database of world coins. A full roll of everything. I also collect paper currency from around the world. I could see myself wanted to collect an awesome copy of each year of US currency too. The list goes on. I guess this is more my hoarding instinct but its similar. Can add up to time really fast. .
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 Posted 10/09/2012  2:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BenjaminsBaby to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
40 hours a week...WOW do you have a job or are you retired owassokie...i can understand if you are retired because hey what else are you suppose to do when you retire besides relax and do things you like to do...all I have to say is that must be a huge hoard you got going if you invest 40 hours a week into it...i only do about a box or maybe 2 a week and that takes me about 2 hours to look through all for errors and silver ext...and I feel like I have a hoard or that I'm taking up to much space...i cant even imagine what you have....if you do pennies do you keep all copper?...would love to see a picture of that hoard haha
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