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Much like Gil I'm finding these an interesting 'side-line' and the prices mean they wont break the bank - I know very little about them as yet so any thoughts / observations / resources more than welcome

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Western Han Wu Zhu - 206BC-25AD


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Western Han Wu Zhu - 206BC-25AD


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Eastern Han Wu Zhu - 25AD-220AD


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Zhao Bian Wu Zhu - 557AD-589AD


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Tang Dynasty / Kai Yuan Tong Bao - 618AD-907AD


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Northern Song / Xi Ning Zhong Bao - 1068AD-1077AD


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Northern Song / Yuan Feng Tong Bao - 1078AD-1093AD


Many of these dates can be narrowed down but a lot if reading is required before I can attempt that. I also have a few pieces from 1700s but the above are the only ones fit for the ancient forum.

All bought from a dealer recommended by aiglet7 here and also mentioned on a few other collector sites as being trustworthy so I shouldn't have to worry about fakes.

Amazed by how long some of the designs were used (700 years in one case) without substantial change!
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You got quite a few coins in that haul. They are fairly inexpensive and the demand isn't too great for the coins so I suppose that's one reason why they ain't expensive.

Since the coins are identified, you can read up about each one easily enough. The Wu Zhu coins are difficult to attribute to a particular time because they all look alike for the most part, with little variation.

Very nice coins!
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Including postage I've only spent just over a dollar per coin so far, I find that incredible! I also lost out on some Western Han Ban Liang as I wasn't confident enough to up my bidding, maybe in a few weeks I'll have a better handle on value and rarity but for now $1 per coin (recommended in a few places) is what I'm trying to stick to.
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Some coins you may not get for under $5, some you won't get for under $10. Some I've noticed are very expensive.
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Excellent group of coins, you have the start of an nice collection. It's nice to see that others are getting interested in this coin type. I particually like the large square WU Shu, I don't have any of those.
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yeah....darn it, I'm going ot have to get some of these now...thank BH!
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Those are nice buys - particually for that price. Once you get about 50-75 of the more common types (Northern and Southern Song you can get by the bucketful) prices do tend to shoot up for new types. I was quite lucky and got most of mine from a clearance of a dealer who passed away.

Ming coins seem to be more pricy in general (along with the porcelin) - particually those of the rebels during that period (and there were a lot). Also, slightly more recent, those of Chinese Turkistan and anything silver will be harder on the wallet.

Happy hunting, and I'm sure you're aware of the fakes issues - unfortunately they are just as prevelant here as in any other area.
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If it hasn't been posted yet this page is a good general overview on Chinese coins interspersed with specific dates of some coins and interesting historical facts. Although not a main focus I enjoy collecting ancient Chinese coins. They become more interesting as you learn about their historical context.

http://primaltrek.com/chinesecoins.html
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Interesting site thanks for posting it. There are also a number of books available on Google Books that are downloadable. There old but still have lots of useful information.
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Also, Very Nice Coins for the Price!

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You have made a great start! Glad you were able to put the info. I supplied to good use! I recognize from whom you bought the coins and you will never have to be concerned about their authenticity.
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I recognize from whom you bought the coins


Yep - it was Wattwat, thanks for the heads up, saved me a lot of homework in finding someone I wanted to buy from

I have indeed been using that site tenacious, its very good indeed

I suspect these coins, as the Chinese middle classes and their spending power increases will become more 'main stream' and better represented on the global scene. In the west we often forget how powerful, organised, advanced and cultured China was for 17 out of the last 19 centuries, we only think of them as a 'new' superpower.
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Thats assuming the Chinese fakers dont destroy the whole thing by flooding the market as soon as prices rise
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