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Buying Uncleaned Roman Coins

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 Posted 01/13/2013  08:50 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Hatter to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Another question for the experts here.

Can anyone recommend a reputable seller of uncleaned Roman coins?
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 Posted 01/13/2013  09:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinage123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I've bought coins from the first link about two years ago and they all turned out to be pretty decent coins(all identifiable). The second link I personally have never bought from but a few of my friends have bought from Chimaira Antiques and they were pretty good too.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/GENUINE-UNC...em3f0b289d07

http://www.ebay.com/itm/cAc-NO-JUNK...em27cec1fa54

(They both have different quantities of coins if you look at their other items.)
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 Posted 01/13/2013  09:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ben to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Chaimaira is fgood, excellent customer service, but pretty expensive. I got some good coins though. I was looking for a forward facing bust and they dug one out for me, very good service. I did, however, receive a few junks. It was made up for byt he rest though. Email ahead and ask politely if you're looking for any specific designs and I'm sure they'll be able to do something for you.

Personally, I buy all my coins from detectors selling their finds on ebay these days.

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 Posted 01/13/2013  10:16 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Coinage123 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Personally, I buy all my coins from detectors selling their finds on ebay these days.

Definitely the best way to buy, however Hatter might have difficulty as hes based in canada . Us folk in the UK are quite lucky to be able to buy 'direct from source', i.e the metal detectorists themselves.
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 Posted 01/13/2013  10:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add cursive to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
What is your motivation for wanting to buy uncleaned Roman coins?

There is no such thing as a "reputable" seller of uncleaned ancient coins. The only source for such things are illegal archaeological digs, often from places in the Balkans. These operations destroy archaeological information about the item, and often finance various organized crime groups. Coins sold as "uncleaned lots" have been cleaned already, and picked through for better-quality items.

There are other reasons for avoiding these things, but I am NOT an expert on this. I do read the blog of an archaeologist who writes about the antiquities trade, and who has a lot more information about this thing than I do; this link should give you multiple reasons for avoiding uncleaned lots of ancient coins

http://paul-barford.blogspot.com/se...?q=uncleaned
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There is a lot more to it than that. Many coins are found in areas that ain't archaeologist dig sites. And those that have found a lot of coins have reported their finds and have found many places that were studied that may not have otherwise been found.

A lot of coins found and stored in a museum will be in buckets, and stored in other ways and never fully studied such as amateur numismatists would, even professionals.

You can also read articles at the ACCG to read the other side of the debate and learn more.

http://www.accg.us/home.aspx
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speaking of the antiquities trade, I like UK dug coins because I know these are always dealt with properly.

Also, I have some ancient egyptian stuff which was sold on the streets of cairo to one of my long dead relations (or so I'm told). That's definitely been done illegally, which is quite sad. But they need to be authenticated, I have my doubts about their authenticity.
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Rasiel Suarez over at dirtyoldcoins.com has always impressed me with the quality of the uncleaned coins he sends me. Every one so far has been fully attributable, and they are not really that expensive. He throws return buyers a bone every once-in-a-while which is really cool.
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I haven't bought any uncleaned coins in a long while, when I did they all came from sellers on e-bay.
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 Posted 01/13/2013  12:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Hatter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the information. To those in the UK is there any way for a novice collector to contact the "European detectors" directly.

I cannot wait to begin my adventure with these coins. I am trying to acquire as much info as I can right now.

The people on these threads have been awesome.
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I've only purchased off ebay also. I only buy them if I can see the actual coins also, prefer a front and back view.
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I recommend going onto the UK ebay and looking about. But hey, dont start sniping my lots! Metal detector finds which are described with strange titles have done me well - I paid £1 per coin for a lot a while ago, which is comparatively steep compared to other purchases - but its description meant that nobody noticed all the really nice stuff and there was a lot fo it (marcian, hadrian, loads of 5th century stuff)

Tips: You live in America, so anything that finishes at a good time for you is good - it means you have a good chance of getting it cheap. My cheapest buys have finished at silly-oclock when nobody is bothering to check ebay or are sleeping or eating. Havign that happen int he US means only US buyers surfing the UK ebay will be about to snipe it.
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Also, I have some ancient egyptian stuff which was sold on the streets of cairo to one of my long dead relations (or so I'm told). That's definitely been done illegally, which is quite sad. But they need to be authenticated, I have my doubts about their authenticity.

Similar story here My great great Uncle was the Viceroy of Cairo and when he visited my great great grandparents he brought loads of Egyptian furniture over(brass tables, chairs, tobacco jars and stuff). He also brought over a big box of decorated brick work which I would guess is pretty ancient(They now take pride of place in my Grandparents loft gathering dust!). Supposedly some 'really old coins' also came over however I am not sure how true that is. I have not seen/found them .
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No bricks or coins, just little statue things. I might make a thread.

And here I sa good lookinbg lot, some full coins, some nicer broken ones, a cut silver.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/GROUP-ROMAN...em565147ae2d

And heres one with one that looks like hadrian. lots of nice coins in
http://www.ebay.com/itm/GROUP-OF-50...em20ce83277a

This is the stuff I look out for. Ends soon too, so...
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My motivation for buying uncleaned coins is really quite simple- for the fun of it.

I have the time and resources to do it as a hobby. It also gives me a chance to touch history. I am an avid reader of all things Roman.

Patience is something I have and while the coins are going through the process of revealing themselves I can educate myself along the way.
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One thing I forgot to say is that I really like the sense of community on these threads.
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