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Some One Stole My Ebay Auction For 2013 Glow-In-The-Dinosaur

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 Posted 02/08/2013  10:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wettld2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
LOL- That's funny because that's what I thought when you emailed me through ebay.... is this guy seriously claiming the rights to "I stole it first"? Of course, that was before I found out that you did some work yourself.
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 Posted 02/08/2013  10:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coolhunter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
That's easy way ---report it to ebay
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 Posted 02/08/2013  10:11 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dooby Rak to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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That's easy way ---report it to eBay


I believe in resolving a problem before escalating it to the authorities. Not just on ebay, but everyday. Most often problems can be resolved with a little bit of discussion and understanding.
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 Posted 02/08/2013  10:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add denco7 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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That violates the RCM's Intellectual Property policy.


True enough, but I have always had a problem equating promotional materials with intellectual property. I gather every brochure I can get at home improvement centers and home shows to use in the sale of my construction services. Am I committing theft of Home Depots intellectual property ? When a bar takes a pic of a Molson beer label to promote their " free " beer night, is that misusing a copyrighted label ?

While I can understand copyright laws, software licences, DRM's and fully support the enforcement thereof, I have a hard time considering the reappropriation of promotional material as theft of intellectual property. Especially on the resale of sold out (or soon to be sold out) mint offerings. I sold a classic Mustang years ago and part of my advertising of the car included the original sales brochures from the glove box. Should I feel guilty ?

In any case, kudos to Dooby Rak on the way this was handled, you went about it the right way with another forum member and settled the issue.
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02/08/2013 10:35 am
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 Posted 02/08/2013  11:26 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add beautyisgod to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't understand, you can't use the original image from the Mint if you want to sell anything? If that is the case, anyone selling the Mint's products needs to ask first their permission to use their pictures?

So what we need to do is take an original picture of the product with our camera and that will have no problem? is that the solution to all this?
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 Posted 02/08/2013  11:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dooby Rak to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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So what we need to do is take an original picture of the product with our camera and that will have no problem? is that the solution to all this?


I have a hard time buying coins from someone who does not show a photo of the actual coin. Using stock photos does not prove you actually have a coin and it could be a fake auction. When ever I do an auction for a more expensive coin I will always photo the coin the packaging and the COA showing the number on it.

I like to provide the mint photo only as a reference since it is very difficult to produce as good an image as they use for their marketing.

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 Posted 02/08/2013  11:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add beautyisgod to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"I have a hard time buying coins from someone who does not show a photo of the actual coin. Using stock photos does not prove you actually have a coin and it could be a fake auction. "

Assuming that you buy coins on ebay, and if someone have 100,000 feedbacks and 100% ratings...then you don't need to worry about fake auction right? We take their feedback ratings into consideration when bying anything on ebay.

If someone on ebay sells 500 items from the Mint, they don't have time to take pictures of each and everyone of them...so I want to know if we use an original image from the vendor, is this illegal? I just think that they should have no problem with that, because in a way, you are promoting their products...and who doesn't want that?
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 Posted 02/08/2013  12:00 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CC-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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because in a way, you are promoting their products...and who doesn't want that?


The RCM. See the sticky at the top of this fourm section.
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 Posted 02/08/2013  12:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Neil to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I have a hard time buying coins from someone who does not show a photo of the actual coin. Using stock photos does not prove you actually have a coin and it could be a fake auction


Nah. Not everyone can take acceptable pics, especially of coins. I've had thousands of ebay transactions over 12 years and never been involved in a "fake" auction. If you are you'll get your $ back. Don't worry about it.
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 Posted 02/08/2013  12:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commems to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I don't understand, you can't use the original image from the Mint if you want to sell anything? If that is the case, anyone selling the Mint's products needs to ask first their permission to use their pictures?


Correct. The RCM's IP policy clearly states that the images and text used on its website to promote its coins are not to be re-used without their permission and a possible fee.

ebay sellers constantly lift text and images from the RCM site - just check out current GITD Dinosaur listings. If the RCM wanted to, it could pick a few sellers to make examples of in an effort to stop the use of its protected images.




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 Posted 02/08/2013  12:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add beautyisgod to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The sticky notes says


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"You absolutely cannot copy and paste things here from the master club member pages. They are private pages for master club members' eyes only. Repeat offenders will suffer consequences."

This is only regarding the master club member pages, since this product is already in public. My questions is regarding posting an original image from the Mint's and use that to put in the listing...as I SEE EVERYONE DO THAT. And it shouldn't be a problem in my eyes "because in a way, you are promoting their products...and who doesn't want that?"
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02/08/2013 12:38 pm
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 Posted 02/08/2013  12:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add beautyisgod to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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If the RCM wanted to, it could pick a few sellers to make examples of in an effort to stop the use of its protected images.

and they don't do that because....? They have no time to go after the "little guy"? just like those "little guys" have no time to take a picture of their items?
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 Posted 02/08/2013  12:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BiBo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If I have a product and people promote my product for free

I am more than Happy. Instead of go after them.
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 Posted 02/08/2013  12:49 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CC-Ottawa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
You asked 'because in a way, you are promoting their products...and who doesn't want that?'

My response was 'the RCM' doesn't want that as evidenced by their pressure to stop us from promoting their products via the message in the sticky. Simple.

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 Posted 02/08/2013  12:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add beautyisgod to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I have a product and people promote my product for free

I am more than Happy. Instead of go after them.


me too...I AM WOULD BE BEGGING YOU TO ADVERTISE my products FOR ME PLEASEEEEEEEEEEE! So I can get free ads...and save me money
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