1920 No Dot (English/London), Does It Exist? - Page 2

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Mr T Pillar of the Community Australia 2180 Posts	Posted 02/19/2013 7:07 pm Some good reading here: https://goccf.com/t/60287 Report this Post to the Staff
Tim Bowden Valued Member Australia 112 Posts	Posted 02/19/2013 7:45 pm Thanks for the link Mr T. It would seem that the fella to talk to about 1920's is actually the author of this thread: nealeffendi. Report this Post to the Staff
The Unicorn Pillar of the Community Australia 750 Posts	Posted 02/19/2013 11:13 pm Tim and thanks Mr T for the link. nealeffendi Just to make sure I'm on the right track a London can only be a dot above or below bottom scroll. With the exception being the unicorn no dot. You mentioned having plenty of the unders with: Quote: I have plenty of dot unders (both the die mark IND IMP and the diechip on the E of pEnny) and some dot overs (bottom). Would you be able to post a pic of the die marks/chips mentioned in the quote above? Also are there any other marks / chips etc to confirm a dot over bottom? Thanks heaps Report this Post to the Staff
The Unicorn Pillar of the Community Australia 750 Posts	Posted 02/20/2013 3:30 pm nealeffendi I think I've worked out the E (perhaps the bottom part of the middle line is angled rather than straight) .... but would like confirmation. What are your thoughts on the 3 on ebay ? (I can't blow the pics up big enough for me to tell). 251113376826 251113381144 251113383598 Report this Post to the Staff
Basil Pillar of the Community Australia 1040 Posts	Posted 02/20/2013 6:20 pm Well there you go,there are some around but you obviously have to be careful there is no remnant of a dot around the bottom scroll.In all my years of collecting I've never seen one in the flesh and have been very wary of the occasional one that pops up on ebay but in this case $200+ seems fair. Report this Post to the Staff
nealeffendi Pillar of the Community Australia 852 Posts	Posted 02/20/2013 8:09 pm The Unicorn Coin 251113376826 has a tiny die chip at the top of the E in pEnny (run an imaginary line up the left edge of the downstroke and at the point that line leaves the top of the E is a diechip). The other 2 coins are both die mark IND IMP, very hard to see; HOWEVER if you look at the rim between 10 and 12.30 on the obverse there is a groove that ends above OM and it is much harder for sellers to hide that with small/fuzzy photos; they are all dot belows. Other tell tales include a die crack through the A in EAL with a die clash (spur on 2nd N) found in about 65% of the die chip E. The ratio of IND IMP to die chip E is about 2:1 and the chances of finding an English obverse is probably about 1 in 50 (assuming you can find a big unsearched lot to noodle). Fred Lever is an engaging variety collector but just like Ian, Mos (RIP) and others his enthusiasm is good but his technical analysis is so so. Basil, if you find a genuine no dot English it would be a steal at $200. It would be ER (if not unique) and I base that on looking at over 200 English obverse 1920 pennies and finding zip. Edited by nealeffendi 02/20/2013 8:13 pm Report this Post to the Staff
The Unicorn Pillar of the Community Australia 750 Posts	Posted 02/20/2013 8:22 pm Thanks heaps for that nealeffendi, I knew you'd be able to tell me why the three on ebay weren't "no dot" versions. I'm sure the four London ones I have are all dot below and will try to match them up with the identifying features you've mentioned. Report this Post to the Staff
Tim Bowden Valued Member Australia 112 Posts	Posted 02/20/2013 9:27 pm Thanks neal for taking the time and energy to share your expertise. This thread has made very interesting reading. Have a great day all. Report this Post to the Staff
Basil Pillar of the Community Australia 1040 Posts	Posted 02/20/2013 10:34 pm Quote: Basil, if you find a genuine no dot English it would be a steal at $200. It would be ER (if not unique) and I base that on looking at over 200 English obverse 1920 pennies and finding zip. No argument,I've never seen one(genuine) in 50 years of collecting coins and as I said, very wary of the ebay ones. Report this Post to the Staff
The Unicorn Pillar of the Community Australia 750 Posts	Posted 03/07/2013 02:18 am Hi nealeffendi, would you be able to have a look at these pics for me? I think it's a dot above scroll, London die, rather than the dot below that I initially thought it was. Please excuse the ordinary pics, hoping to get a Nancy cud-a-scope soon. Report this Post to the Staff
The Unicorn Pillar of the Community Australia 750 Posts	Posted 03/07/2013 8:18 pm Another query nealeffendi, (after all you are the 1920 ) With your comments above regarding coin 251113376826 has a tiny E die chip, does the pic below correctly indicate the die chip? (Looks a lighter colour than the rest of the coin in the pic). Edited by The Unicorn 03/07/2013 8:19 pm Report this Post to the Staff
ford_prefect Valued Member Australia 90 Posts	Posted 03/07/2013 9:39 pm The primary indicators for this coin. It's a English Obv Dot Under Scroll Die chip top of E in Penny. The Die crack through A in CommonweAlth is very pronounced. Report this Post to the Staff
The Unicorn Pillar of the Community Australia 750 Posts	Posted 03/07/2013 9:49 pm Thank you ford prefect ..... (my brother used to own a 1958) ..... can you help with my query above that last one? (ie: the London dot above). Thanks! Footnote: You guys have much better eyes than me, but I can now just make out the die chip in that pic ..... I looked and looked and couldn't see it before now (obviously by my circle guess). Thanks! Edited by The Unicorn 03/07/2013 10:25 pm Report this Post to the Staff
ford_prefect Valued Member Australia 90 Posts	Posted 03/08/2013 02:08 am Hi Unicorn. Very difficult from the images provided. But Image 5 Indicates it is a English Obv 1920. Dot Under Scroll A very well defined Die Crack through IN of IND (One of the heaviest examples I've seen) = Dot Under Scroll This Die Crack only appears on the Dot Under type. Still a very scarce Die Pairing and collectable. Report this Post to the Staff
The Unicorn Pillar of the Community Australia 750 Posts	Posted 03/08/2013 02:32 am Absolutely fabulous analysis ford prefect, thanks heaps! I now know exactly where and what to look for to confirm the dot unders! ..... a big for you! Report this Post to the Staff
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