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Possibly A '72 DDO?

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 Posted 04/07/2014  8:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickpicker to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
We'll, as a newbie, I can honestly say that I didn't realize how bad it is out there on ebay. And I really wasn't planning to deceive anyone, but this makes me think twice. I'll probably label this one as "interesting," and keep it. But that 1909 VDB I found the other day just might go up for sale! Anyway, thanks for the wise words everyone.

Hey Wert, I like that tool for figuring out the rotation. Where did you get that? I don't suppose that 13 degrees of rotation makes much difference as to the value, huh?
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As long as you don't try to deceive anyone, there is nothing wrong with listing this coin on ebay. Just make sure to let folks know it's not a doubled die. Some people, obviously, collect MD. If not, coins listed as Machine Doubling wouldn't sell for what they do. There are a lot of "regular" collectors that think people that collect doubled dies & RPMs are crazy. Some people collect chips and cracks. If you label it correctly and someone gives you $5 for it, it is a 100% fact that it isn't only worth 1 cent. It's worth $5.
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 Posted 04/07/2014  9:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jayman931 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I haven't meet a person who collects MD. If a 10 year old kid who just started collecting coins spent his allowance buying that coin for $5.00 would you feel bad?

If you sell it as Machine Doubling and don't call it an error or don't use misleading terms and someone bought it then I see no problem at all. But lots of people misrepresent what they are selling and it hurts the hobby. I am not saying you would do that but I personally wouldn't sell it on ebay. I would put it in my copper pile. But that's me and I realize everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
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 Posted 04/07/2014  9:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickpicker to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah, I'm certainly not interested in hurting this hobby. I'm just getting into it, and I really enjoy it. I definitely get your point.
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 Posted 04/07/2014  9:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jay4202472000 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If a 10 year old has a paypal account and a credit card to back it, I doubt he only gets $5 a week allowance. He's buying VAMs & such! LOL!
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 Posted 04/07/2014  10:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jayman931 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
cbarkdul-this is a great hobby and its great that you are interested in it. Identifying errors/varieties will get easier the more you hunt, the more you read about them and the more questions you ask. If errors were easy to find they would not be valuable. I still remember the first Double Die I found. I still own it. If you are trying to make money on hunting coins it is not easy to do it.

For Example http://www.ebay.com/itm/1969-S-BU-L...em23385d543a

If you search Machine Doubling not one coin has a bid on it. If you search Doubled Die you will find lots of people that use that term with Machine Doubling to deceive.

Jay- "There are a lot of "regular" collectors that think people that collect doubled dies & RPMs are crazy."

Where did you get this "fact"? To compare RPMs/Doubled Dies which are genuine repeatable varieties to Machine Doubling which occurs when dies are loose and then dismiss them as they were the same with a false statement is not right.

Sorry to hijack this thread but I actually enjoy this hobby and do not appreciate all the people that are being taken advantage of on ebay buying something they think is collectible only to find out they have a normal within mint tolerance coin. My 12 year old nephew did buy a coin from a deceptive ebay auction. He has since learned a lot more about errors/varieties and asks more questions to his Uncle before he bids on coins.

I am not going to comment on this further. Everyone can do what they want to do. But I have never met anyone who intentionally collects MD. I also have never been to a coin shop that sells coins labeled Machine Doubling.

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 Posted 04/07/2014  10:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickpicker to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hey Jayman, I hear you. Like I said, I don't want to give this hobby a bad name. I plan to keep looking. I plan to sell some and keep some. I appreciate everyone's opinions!
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Dude I never said varieties and errors are the same. I know the difference. I never said MD and doubled dies were the same. I know the difference. And yes, some dealers look down on variety collectors. That is fact. Some people collect MD. That is fact. If not coins labeled as so would not sell for $13 and more. I hate it that you don't like it but it is fact. Some people collect what they like. Not everyone tries to make money on coins. Some collect for sheer enjoyment. You don't seem to have a problem with die damage being worth something. You asked twice how much a coin with Feeder Finger Damage is. I'm done now too. No reason getting upset with someone that has met every collector on the planet.
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 Posted 04/08/2014  09:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add John1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
cbarkdul,
Here is a good read on MD vs HUB DOUBLING http://www.coincommunity.com/forum/...PIC_ID=51410
As for die rotation it's not off enough to have a premium.
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 Posted 04/09/2014  05:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Maineman750 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hate to spoil the party but this coin is actually a doubled die, the catch is that it is master die doubling seen on about half of the 1972s. But, what is seen on the date is Machine Doubling.
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 Posted 04/09/2014  5:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickpicker to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll have to do a little he work on that, because you lost me!
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Master die doubling created many dies from all three mints. So a large percentage of the dies have this. Making them not collectable because so many have this doubling.
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 Posted 04/09/2014  5:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickpicker to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Coop! I keep on learning!
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 Posted 04/09/2014  5:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add coop to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
We all do.
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 Posted 04/12/2014  9:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jmkendall to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
In my shop I get customers that only purchase MS coins. I have customers that look down on anyone not spending a minimum of $250 for a single coin. I have customers that only collect VAMs. I get customers that only want to search for varieties. I get customers that just want to fill holes in their Albums and Folders. I have at least two customers that like to collect extreme MD. One is trying to fill the holes in a #2 Whitman folder. If it is out there, there is a collector for it. Who am I to tell another collector what to collect?
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