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1776 1976 Large Gold Medal

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 Posted 10/22/2014  3:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add junjun to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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 Posted 10/22/2014  3:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DKI to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Commems. That is all valuable information. I did see one on ebay who had researched and had an approximate number that there are less than 200 in existence. I do not know how reliable that info was but I guess for a little time you weren't allowed to own these and then the law changed and many had already been melted. Again not sure about how reliable that info is.

I appreciate the examples you stated and I am glad I asked.
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 Posted 10/22/2014  3:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DKI to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks Junjun. Now I need to hide it again until I figure out what to do with it and hope I don't forget I have it.
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 Posted 10/22/2014  3:33 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add commems to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I guess for a little time you weren't allowed to own these and then the law changed

These medals were always allowed to be owned - they were sold by the US Government via the US Mint. The gold ownership laws were changed in 1974, these medals were sold in 1975-76.


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 Posted 10/30/2014  5:20 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add tenacious to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This thread is a good example that forum members should be sure that the information or advice they are posting is accurate. The first response DKI got was that it was gold plated and worth $10.

Thankfully people who actually know what they're talking about posted the correct information.

And thankfully DKI didn't just take the first response that it was gold plated and worth $10 and leave the thread and not come back. There's a huge difference between $10 and $16,395. Sheeesh.
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 Posted 10/31/2014  03:49 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add ErrorCoins222 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Wonderful piece! Congratulations!

A bit of advice: handle this with care. A piece like this is easily hairlined by incorrectly handling it. Even sliding it around within the holder can cause major surface issues. Due to its size, it is difficult to locate a holder that protects the medal's surfaces.
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 Posted 11/02/2014  1:48 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DKI to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the advice. I never thought about it getting worn from the case or taking it out. I just have it put away for now until I figure out what to do with it. Torn between keeping because it's cool and rare. But not sure about its value dropping.

Thanks again for all the info and insight on this piece.
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 Posted 12/08/2014  6:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DKI to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Anyone have any suggestions where to sell something like this?
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 Posted 12/08/2014  7:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
If it were mine, I'd put it in a Stack's or Heritage auction. It needs to be exposed to the right audience (Buyers). You can always negotiate the selling fee and put a reserve on it.

Local dealers, if they are honest, will offer you close to "melt" value for the gold unless they have someone that collects this kind of stuff and has deep pockets.

The "We Buy Gold" places, pawn shops, hotel coin buyers and fly by night dealers will offer you no where near its true worth. They will all want to test it for gold content and some may even damage it.

If you like it, keep it and pass it down to your family as an heirloom. Besides gold is way down right now but will eventually recover.
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 Posted 12/15/2014  11:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AgCoinAu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
There's been a lot of good information put out there on this forum... and I have to agree.. while the first response assumed it was the gold plated version it was great more discussion ensued..

Now one argument I have to offer against someone selling it just for melt....
There was the suggestion that this medal at the last auction sold for 14% over melt. However depending on the auction house you may have to negotiate what premiums you will pay. For example some auction houses will take a commission of anywhere between 5-20 % off the hammer price... AND you still will have to pay for shipping and insurance (nominal .. but necessary when dealing with such an item)

So that extra 14% that you get above melt MAY be consumed in brokerage/seller fees as well as shipping and insurance.

Now if I read into this correctly you have either recently aquired this piece perhaps through some sort of inheritance or you have found this piece after having it tucked away for sometime. Either scenario I would say consider this like a gift. Hold on to it.. or sell it... the choice is yours... but you have been given/found a gift that many today would see as unattainable.

Congratulations... it's a great piece!
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 Posted 12/15/2014  11:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jimbucks to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I remember these being advertised by the mint. However my paper route money was not adequate to allow me to purchase one, but I did get some GSA CC dollars from the mint for $15 each back in the 1970s.

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 Posted 12/17/2014  8:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DKI to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks all. There is a lot to consider. I am just trying to get an idea of my options. I will probably keep the piece, but thought it was worth looking into my options to sell. Thanks again and I am always happy to hear any new suggestions or info. Much appreciated.
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"So that extra 14% that you get above melt MAY be consumed in brokerage/seller fees as well as shipping and insurance."

No reputable numismatic auction house would charge a sellers fee for an item of this level of market value. Any of the major houses (Heritage, Goldbergs, Stacks-Bowers) would jump at the opportunity to handle an item like this. A consignor should expect to successfully negotiate for 105% of the hammer price for this medal.

I agree fully with tenacious. As the adage goes, "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing", with the emphasis on little.
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Thanks Judd. I have thought about selling the piece. My issue has always been selling through a auction and paying the fees/commissions. There really isn't a way to get around selling the piece without someone getting a fee for it somehow unless I run into someone who wants to deal with me direct, which is more than likely not going happen. It's a difficult piece to just carry around.

I think if I do take the auction route I would contact your suggestions and see how they would handle this. Thanks for the input on this.
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 Posted 01/07/2015  6:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AgCoinAu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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No reputable numismatic auction house would charge a sellers fee for an item of this level of market value. Any of the major houses (Heritage, Goldbergs, Stacks-Bowers) would jump at the opportunity to handle an item like this. A consignor should expect to successfully negotiate for 105% of the hammer price for this medal.

I agree fully with tenacious. As the adage goes, "A little knowledge is a dangerous thing", with the emphasis on little.


Judd since you're above reply, you had quoted my response...and from reading your reply, I have to believe that I have little knowledge...
If that wasn't your intention, I will have to say that's certainly how I read it!

Now when I first read this thread I honestly knew very little about this medal. And while there is VALUE in this coin as it's made of gold ... there really wasn't anything I read that this coin has an important historical significance, exceedingly low mintage numbers or ranks on the rarity scale.

As such a coin/medal of this nature holds MOST of it's value in gold content and very little in numismatic content. Now if I'm wrong could you please show me examples of sales where this medal has far exceeded it's PM value?

I am well aware that auction houses can change their fees and premiums depending on items especially if that item will draw certain bidders, media hype or type of collector. But you state that
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A consignor should expect to successfully negotiate for 105% of the hammer price for this medal.
which means that the auction house actually pays you not only full hammer but a percentage ABOVE hammer for this item!!

I just don't see it! Not from what I've read about this medal.

The information I gave stands! One has to be careful that if they put this up for auction that the fees, shipping and insurance will NOT be of lesser amount than what the could sell for as bullion. That's something everyone should concern themselves with when sending in items to an auction.

Now I just spent a good 20 minutes on the phone talking with Heritage, and unless you have a very special relationship with them, the individual I spoke with didn't seem so excited that they were willing to negotiate 105% on the hammer... If you can get them to do so and put it in writing... I'll be happy to print up this page and literally eat my own words... Course if you can't... perhaps an appology might be in order
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