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1925-S - Black Imprint On Back

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any ideas on this imprint?

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It's another "TED" "MER" from "UNITED STATES OF AMERICA".. How it happened, I don't exactly know? A vise job would mean the letters "TED" "MER" would be backwards. I'm pretty sure it's PMD, but curious how it happened...

The extra letters are incluse?


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It looks like it was punched on top of the devices - because you can see damage to them.



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Could it be dropped letters? or would this be too significant for that
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Im thinking post mint damage on this one
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Could it be dropped letters?

That's what it looks like to me. It's rare to have a a segment of dropped letters. It is almost always individual letters. The only thing that bothers me is I don't see any trace of the "dropped field area" that would be holding the dropped letters together.
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My thought too conder, if it's a multiple dropped letter then how are the letters spaced so evenly?
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Wouldn't a dropped letter flow into the devices and cause the area where the letters meet to be flat? Since they are the same thickness. Or are the letters so thin that it doesn't make that big of a difference, and the small amount of dropped letter stuck in the die causes the weak look you see on the bottom of the "E" and other places. The left side of the "M" is an outlier though. Also as others have said the "dropped field area" is missing.

But still, not sure how/why someone would do this if it's PMD. It wouldn't be accidental though.
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I don't understand any of this, do you need more pictures?
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A rank postulation:
The metal has dropped out of the dies from a just struck coin for these letters to to be impressed onto a following coin (this one).

I still think it may be PMD, unfortunately.

Interesting anyway, because there will always be room for one of us to come up with an explanation.
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Thanks for explaining, so if I wanted to send it someplace for them to figure it out, who would that be? PCGS or one of those types of organizations?

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Attempting to get it slabbed would be a good approach.

Would be a waste of money if it just turns out to be PMD, but if it turns out to be an error, (which I don't think it is), you could be sitting on something very interesting.

Like most in this thread, I notice the the style of the impressed letters is exactly the same as on the original coin, and in the same positional relationship to each other. That leaves room to doubt myself a little.
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Yes, I would need to save for a few months in order to get money to register and send in for a look. That is why I ask - can't afford to throw money away.

Do they take emails with pictures over at PCGS for a start? I know wishful thinking.
I appreciate all your help.
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It doesn't look correct to me. The fill should make an even flow of letter on the coin. This coin looks like it was press into the coin to make it look like it was a bunch of dropped letters. What would explain the deep round holes on the reverse?
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My first thought with first set of pics was PSD (counter stamp or some sort shenanigans).

After revisit with second set images. I'm thinking of changing my mind. The imprints seem to line up so close that a drop block of lettering seem plausible. Thanks, Doug.

Even the holes also seem to line up with devices that follow. Just not complete like the others.

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