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1925-S - Black Imprint On Back

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 Posted 12/17/2015  9:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cascade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Bluesolo, search heritage (and other big houses) records. Jus enter "dropped letter" in the search boxes... don't know how many results you'll get but at least you can see that gsa morgan
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 Posted 12/17/2015  10:36 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BlueSolo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hmm, they are all single dropped letter on Heritage. I'll have to do some more digging for multi-dropped letters. Curious to see more since this is the first time it's come up. Also want to see if there are related features that can serve as diagnostics.
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 Posted 12/17/2015  11:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCents to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So my next step would be to look in Heritage Auctions?

Thanks
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 Posted 12/18/2015  12:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinMasters to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Give them a call, give them the particulars including Mike's evaluation, and see what they say.
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 Posted 12/18/2015  12:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BlueSolo to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Keep us updated too, want to see what comes of this
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 Posted 12/18/2015  12:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCents to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Will Do, Thanks
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 Posted 12/18/2015  12:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinMasters to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yup yup and good luck!
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 Posted 12/18/2015  08:18 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I wrote about large, multi-element dropped fillings in Coin World some years back in a Collector's Clearinghouse column. Unfortunately, their online archives were disabled by a computer crash two months ago. I'm hoping they can be restored in a few months.

Here's one I didn't write up, since the photo did not belong to me. It's a 1950-S cent. The specimen I did write up was a New Hampshire quarter, with two large, multi-element dropped fillings on the reverse.



1925-S---Black-Imprint-On-Back
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12/18/2015 08:26 am
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Thank you Mike for posting this, that is amazing. It is almost the same. This one is even more impressive though with the N, ST as well as part of the I under the wheat ear?

Thank you again for taking your valuable time to review my coin post and providing your comments on it. I haven't known what to make of it.

The members here on CCF have be very supportive. They don't just comment on the coins I post, but also try to further my education on the error in question.

If I contact Heritage Auctions and they agree to accept the coin, will they be able to validate it properly?

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 Posted 12/18/2015  09:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mikediamond to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It was labeled as "struck through struck fragment" or something to that effect. It is true that such errors can look very similar. When a thin piece of metal enters the striking chamber and is struck into a planchet, the metal molds itself to the recesses of the die face. The metal in the recesses is slightly thicker than in the field owing to reduced effective striking pressure in the former. If the metal is dislodged and struck into a fresh planchet, it leaves a set of incuse, normally-oriented design elements.

However, when a coin is struck through a thin struck fragment, the normal raised elements are more blurred and you can see a clear boundary line around the affected area. Since there doesn't appear to be the characteristic blurring and since there's no clear boundary line, I concluded this is a multi-element dropped filling.

Also, the shape of the area encompassing the incuse letters and its location is consistent with a dropped filling.
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 Posted 12/18/2015  10:07 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cascade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coincents, call heritage today, or better yet Email them with a link to this thread, or both. They will do ALL the work for you. They will evaluate it in hand and they will get it slabbed and then evaluated for a cac sticker. They will do it all. Mikes name carries a lot of weight and even though he hasn't seen this coin in person they will want you to send it to them on his photo evaluation alone so they can confirm then you just sit back and watch the magic (if they do agree with Mike once their experts see it in hand that is) as it will be placed in an upcoming auction with your approval.

Your out of pocket expense should only be about $30 to ship it to them securely with REGISTERED mail
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I'm pretty convinced too now. $30 is nothing compared to what should be the value of this coin assuming everything comes back legit. These DO NOT pop up often, it's rare enough just to find a picture of one (Thanks Mike).

Hard to believe it's spent 90 years in circulation, and it has been circulating not just in someone's coin jar for years, and no one has snagged it. Cool find, keep us updated on what you do with it :D

Coop: If you're following this thread, these would make some nice images for your teaching slides

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 Posted 12/18/2015  1:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Slamnbass to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Coincents-speaking of that you never did mention how you came in possession of this unless I missed it? Curious.
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 Posted 12/18/2015  8:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Cascade to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It would be awesome to see this in the Heritage long beach auction in early February. If you go that route and very soon that will probably be the auction they put it in I would think I believe the consignment cutoff is new year for that one but I'm not sure
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 Posted 12/19/2015  4:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinCents to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My husband has been a coin and paper money collector since he was kid. He has had some wonderful pieces over the years. We got a bag of 5000 "Unsearched" wheat cents about 6 or 7 years ago (mostly likely were it came from) but we have added to that throughout the years.

I didn't start doing anything with the wheat cents until a couple of months ago. They have just been sitting here.
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