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The seven and partial S letters were made from a "soft die". It is evident that these letters were punched into the coin due to some of the original letters being dented by the punched in letters. "Soft dies" have been used for awhile and a few years back, there was a rash of these being called "doubled dies" being sold on E-bay. They all seemed to be coming out of the Ukraine. This is definitely an outside of the mint work ( PMD) and nothing more. BJ Neff |
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As several others have concluded, this appears to be a large dropped filling incorporating numerous conjoined dropped letters. Very rare, but I've seen this on two other coins, one a wheatback cent. In fact, the extra letters on both cents occupy the same general area. And this fits the diagnosis because this area is especially prone to filled die errors on wheatback cents. You don't always see the boundary of the detached encrustation, because it's thin and in light of the fact that this coin is very worn. Congrats on a great find. I wouldn't bother with a grading service since they're unfamiliar with dropped fillings this extensive and would likely provide an inaccurate diagnosis or declare it a fake.
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Edited by mikediamond
12/17/2015 08:38 am
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Oh-no. Two pros on opposite sides of the fence  If nothing else make a copy of Mikes post and keep it with the coin.Put coin in a 2x2 and make sure to flatten the staples. John1  |
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It is evident that these letters were punched into the coin due to some of the original letters being dented by the punched in letters. The areas where the letters crossed over the struck in letters would not fill properly and should appear "dented" at those spots on the finished coin. In fact I think with a soft die the letters on the finished coins would be HIGHER in the areas where the letters crossed over. Also the letters are incuse, with a soft die wouldn't they be raised? If you used a soft HUB they would be incuse and would dent in the letters of the coin, but they would also be reversed. You would have to create a reversed soft hub to do this. Edited by Conder101
12/17/2015 12:59 pm
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Wow this thread just got a WHOLE LOT interesting. If mike is correct you have big $$$. Keep that baby safe!... or call heritage auctions. They will do all the leg work on getting it authenticated and slabbed for an auction sale  Edited by Cascade
12/17/2015 1:10 pm
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Coop, that Lincoln Cent you placed next to the dropped filling definition looks instead to have a contact mark. Any time you find an incuse element on the highest point of the design and nowhere else, that must be your default hypothesis. Error coin writer and researcher.
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This is all very exciting. I'm happy, then I'm sad. Thing is I have know Idea what you all are talking about. I am amazed how you all know so much about coins and how they are made. John1 thanks for calling in BJ and Mike. I have done exactly as you said and it in my lock-box. I have 2 boxes here for the coins posts I sent to you all. Good finds and my infamous PMD, MD box. So once I got he initial replies I just tossed it in the PMD box. So when new posts came in that it might be something more I was scrambling through the PMD box to find it. Thank you all so much. |
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The principle behind this error is simple. A hardened encrustation ("grease" in hobby parlance) covered part of the reverse die face, filling the recesses. The encrustation fell out, shifted position, and was struck into a planchet (your coin). Since the crud was thickest where it filled the letters, it left a sunken impression of those letters. Easy peasy.
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I was bidding on a dropped letter 1883cc gsa Morgan about a month ago at heritage. Unfortunately it went above my limit and sold for $8,500 + fees.
Now, yours is no where near that coin but that was a $300 coin without the single dropped letter. So you got some money if this all pans out.
Oh and coincents, if you don't know who Mike diamond is Google his name (plus the word "coneca" or you'll get nothing but beastie boys sites)
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Anyone know where I can find more pictures of dropped letter blocks? So rare/don't know what I would even search for
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make a copy of Mikes post and keep it with the coin.Put coin in a 2x2 and make sure to flatten the staples. This is excellent advice from John1, CC. The CoinMasters will expand on it and tell you to sell it for $10.000.00. Mr. Diamond's credentials are impeccable. Two other pros in this post think otherwise. This difference in opinion between the pros happens once in a while as it does with non-pros. I personally still think it's a fake, as I'm entitled to my opinion as well. It is apparent to me one section containing the letters TED MER were reproduced from another coin and "struck" into your coin. I think the best thing for you to do is take the $10,000.00.  |
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A viable explanation as to how this could be done PMD has yet to be explained. I tried to explain why theories would not work but Conder101's post explains it a lot better than I have: "You would have to create a reversed soft hub to do this". I've switched sides to innocent (mint error) until proven guilty ( PMD). Edited by BlueSolo
12/17/2015 7:24 pm
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Wow, I had no idea of Mike except for the notation of Advisor on cuds-on-coins.com.
Unless I missed a reply in here no one has made an offer on the coin.
Thanks
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I'll offer you $50 bucks and take the risk myself but I highly suggest you don't take me up on it  |
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Blue, you certainly have invalidated the processes I have described to make the hub. The first would have come out backwards, another would be raised, and such. I didn't think them through before posting. Making a hub is definitely out of my area of expertise. I do believe it was done though, largely because of the questionable results on the OP's coin. I do know another coin offers the perfect pattern. How to do it is probably a multi-step process - I know if you can think of it, you can do it.
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