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 Posted 01/29/2008  12:00 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add foundinrolls to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hi All,

This seller, in response to my inquiries about the coins was that: "And I do refund for any one who wants one"

Thats what he said. Many of his buyers are rookies with low feedback numbers. This guy is counting on the buyer being clueless. He also gets expert opinions for free on forums and then ignores them when he wants to sell something that is bogus.


How Many problems can you find with this listing?

1). The coin is not a 1935 DDR Buffalo nickel.

2). Using text that compares falsely infers the value is prohibited on ebay under the rules for selling coins.

3). The text in the description can not be understood.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1935-Buffalo-Ni...ut_W0QQitemZ160201433015QQihZ006QQcategoryZ524QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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How about this one?

1). He lists "A roll" but his total number of coins can be 66. So what do you get?

2). Coins listed as Silver, but supposed 1965, 1966, 1967 are SMS coins. NOT SILVER, if you get them in the roll at all.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1916-67-ROLL-of...ES_W0QQitemZ160202157197QQihZ006QQcategoryZ39462QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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Next is supposedly a 1956 D Washington RPM

1). This is machine doubling- NO RPM

2). Coin is not XF- Extra Fine is defined as "all hairlines sharp" light wear on eagles breast and legs.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1956-D-Washinto...-K_W0QQitemZ160177744660QQihZ006QQcategoryZ524QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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Next: COMPLETELY against ebay rules for circumventing listing fees and final value fees..

http://cgi.ebay.com/1909-1958-P-D-S...Bu_W0QQitemZ160179619363QQihZ006QQcategoryZ11944QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

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This item is listed as an 1878 8/7 tailfeathers variety. It's clearly not. Besides the variety is called a 7/8 tailfeathers anyway.

http://cgi.ebay.com/1878-Morgan8-7-...in_W0QQitemZ160191769489QQihZ006QQcategoryZ39465QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I can go on and probably will in another post.

Thanks,
Bill
Edited by foundinrolls
01/29/2008 12:36 am
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 Posted 01/29/2008  12:57 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add halfabustisbetter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I recognize the name from somewhere. Isn't/wasn't he a member here on CCF?
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 Posted 01/29/2008  01:00 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foundinrolls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm afraid so...
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 Posted 01/29/2008  05:34 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add muckeye to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Is he still a member?
regards,
muckeye.
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 Posted 01/29/2008  09:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Jim1953 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the heads up, Bill.
Jim
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 Posted 01/29/2008  3:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foundinrolls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Probably still a member, he says:


"Its done now go bug someone who is really scamming folk"

What he doesn't get is that I am not particularly after him, I make it a point to eliminate scammers on ebay no matter who they are. I was doing a search for varieties and he came up with the junk being sold in the search.

He's not the only seller I complained about. He was just the most blatantly wrong seller I found in my search.



I just hate the hobby being tarnished.

I've reported him to ebay and others should as well.
Edited by foundinrolls
01/29/2008 3:36 pm
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 Posted 01/29/2008  7:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Gene Carr to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My intuition is that this person is not really trying to beat or scam anyone, he is just....not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Perhaps he is not long in America...just judging by his syntax and grammar errors.
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 Posted 01/29/2008  8:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Peter THOMAS to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
G'day, if he's misdescribing the goods he sells, then he's a fraud.
If he knows, or at least uses, technical terms such as " DDR" etc, then he has a duty to get them right.
If he doesn't know what the terms mean, then he ought not use the terms. He can satisfactorily list the first item as:
"U. S. of A. - five cent coin, 1935 date"
and leave it to potential buyers to look closely at his pics.
Obviously, he is relying on the fact that there are some buyers who are poorly informed, flash for cash, and enthusiastic. These are the best pickings for unscrupulous sellers.
His excuses about TPGs demonstrate that he is unscrupulous.
The syntax, etc are, I am sure, camouflage.
There was seller just like him in Oz: he is currently suing E-bay for deregistering him. The difficulty seems to be that ebay are not very organized when it comes to defending their actions. And this, perhaps, partly explains their reluctance to deal firmly with crooks.
Peter in Oz
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 Posted 01/29/2008  10:38 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foundinrolls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No, this guy is a scam. He understands what he is doing. His latest response to me asking him to remove items that are misidentified is:

"I am losing money and I am not going to take down any more! I live on a fixed income and $25.00 is more that I need to throw in the trash"

By the way, the coin he removed was a 1935 Buffalo that he says was a doubled die and it was not. Now think about this, the coin is a 75 cent coin. How is he going to profit $25.00 unless he knows it's a rip off?

This seller knows that what he is selling is trash and he continues to leave it up. Many of his coins are not identified correctly and he is intentionally leaving up coins that are not what he says they are because he needs the money.

It sounds like internet fraud to me. Most of what he sells goes to uneducated collectors. Do you want to be the dealer that someday has to tell one of his buyers that he has ripped them off.

Steer clear of him. He is a definite scammer. He also has three negatives as a buyer. It says that he received merchandise, the seller got confirmation of delivery then this guy never paid. You figure it out.



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 Posted 01/29/2008  11:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mahgobbi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry, but I have to respectfully disagree with you on this. I just viewed all of the links you listed and I don't think he's a scammer. I think he honestly feels he's representing the varieties and errors accurately. He never claimed any coins were a particular grade...in fact, he said he's not a grader and told the buyers to judge the photos for themselves. He posted numerous photos. I'm sure his coins sell for higher than they are worth because newbies bid on them unknowingly, but that's part of the learning process...buyer beware. His feedback is excellent, so his customers are happy. I have no problem with his listings.

As for the one which is circumventing fees, I agree. However, he seems to be *trying* to make it an honest listing by saying that he'll change the buy-it-now price, etc. It's possible that he doesn't realize what he did is against the rules.

I just think there are a lot of BAD sellers out there who I'd prefer to pick on than one who is not necessarily all bad. Perhaps he is, but his customers have no problem with him, so I don't either.
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 Posted 01/30/2008  02:51 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add foundinrolls to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Let me explain something that is crystal clear. He is a scammer. He knows what he has is not what he says it is. He posts on the forum and gets opinions of people that know what they are talking about. When he doesn't hear what he wants to hear, he posts the coin anyway. It is not described correctly.

Next, it is the sellers responsibility to know the rules that pertain to the items being sold. The fact that some of his listings break the rules only goes as far as a point. Once a person is made aware that the rules are being broken and he still does nothing to change his auction, he becomes a scammer. There is no excuse for what he is doing.

He admits to leaving mis-identified items up even after they can clearly be seen not to be what they are.

Also, if a person can't grade, they shouldn't put a grade in their description.

On the auction with the penny book. He gets one bid on one coin and then works out a deal to sell any of the others at prices they come to terms with. Clearly against eBays rules and he knows it now. I explained it to him two days ago.

All these things were nicely explained to him. His responses were ridiculous.

He is breaking ebay's rules and he is scamming buyers and he knows it. I used eBays "Question for Seller" feature to nicely make him aware of what he was doing. Also, this is his pattern . He always has misidentified coins listed.

So...he is definitely a scammer on some items. Other items are OK. He is cheating ebay and he is cheating buyers.

So let me ask you...if you were the person that ended up with the falsely Identified Buffalo nickel, paying $40.00 for a 75 cent coin, or if you ended up with the misidentified 1956 D Quarter with a machine doubled mintmark, or his bogus tailfeather variety Morgan, would you have a problem with him.

Someone is going to end up with that junk. The only reason he doesn't have more negatives is that he sells to newbies that don't know a tree from a fencepost. Many have low feedback ratings and they believe his bogus descriptions. It may be years before they find out they were ripped off.

I am trying to do the buyers a favor by steering them away from this guy.

Keep in mind that someone who makes a habit of mis-identifying coins, intentionally, (I can assure you it's intentional) , is a person who is a bad dealer. I counted 11 out of 46 items that he had that were bogus. Thats about 25% of his listings. Just because 75% of his listings are OK, doesn't make him right to scam buyers with the other 25% of his items.

He had several days after I questioned him to do the right thing. I urged him to do the right thing. He doesn't want to. I even suggested that he stick to what he knows as some of his listings are just fine. He doesn't want to do that.

I think I've proved his intent and it ain't that good. He is a Bad seller in my book.
Edited by foundinrolls
01/30/2008 02:55 am
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 Posted 01/30/2008  07:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mahgobbi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ok, I didn't realize he was posting here for opinions and then listing them anyway. That's clearly not right. I've listed things when I don't know what they are (in fact, I have one listed like that right now), but I make it VERY, VERY clear in the listing that I'm not sure and the buyers need to make their own informed decision whether to bid or not. I offer to email 7MP photos for them to manipulate and examine, and I make that they should look at the photos and bid accordingly, but I can't be responsible if it's not the real deal. That's where this guy is missing the boat...if he's not sure, then he needs to make that clear. And if he KNOWS something he's selling is not real, then he shouldn't be listing it in the first place.
Edited by mahgobbi
01/30/2008 07:59 am
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 Posted 01/30/2008  08:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add halfabustisbetter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
All of what foundinrolls says is true for this seller, and at least one other one who has been asking questions around here about his crap silver coins and counterfeits and then still uses the 'coins' in pictures on his listings like this one: http://cgi.ebay.com/65-Grams-SILVER...ns_W0QQitemZ140200498943QQihZ004QQcategoryZ547QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

I've been thinking of having another contest. Maybe it will be 'How many counterfeits can you find in carrconnection's listings?"
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 Posted 01/30/2008  09:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add mahgobbi to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'm clueless...what's wrong with that listing? Are you saying that the silver and gold coins in those photos are counterfeit? I don't see how you can even tell from that photo. Even enlarged, it seems too small to determine whether or not the coins are authentic. I'm not trying to defend him here...just curious how you can tell from that photo that the coins are fake. He's ok as a buyer...paid me right away (he used a different account though)

Honestly, I can't believe how harsh people on this board seem to be about ebay listings. It's almost like people are searching for reasons to get sellers' listings cancelled.
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 Posted 01/30/2008  10:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scubu to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
It's almost like people are searching for reasons to get sellers' listings canceled.


I do that every single day and I'm proud of myself. I probably get 150-250 listings a day canceled. Bogus listings and rules violations need to be stopped regardless if it's by one member that stumbles upon a bad listing, or me taking a couple hours a day to seek them out.

Do you want the police to stop looking for reasons to arrest people?

Also just an FYI, This member has been doing this for over a year. Although I'm not positive it seemed that he may have been given a little leeway from the Staff since he was a member. Probably in the hopes that he would listen to the good advice here and get better with his listings. It obviously hasn't happened. So now he has to step up and be responsible for his actions.
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 Posted 01/30/2008  10:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Morgan Fred to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
SB et al, yes, we have given the seller in question (also a forum member) the benefit of the doubt for some time now, mostly due to my own personal influence since the seller and I have a common military history. I had hoped that he would taken our advice, hints, and otherwise gained knowledge and insight to alter his approach toward attribution of, and selling coins, but, alas, this has not proved to be the instance although I do not presently feel that he is intentionally attempting to scam buyers (however, at this time, I cannot rule it out). We (the staff) are currently reviewing his situation. We cannot do anything about ebay but we certainly can with regard to his role in the forum. It's a harsh statement, but some people perhaps should not be in the coin hobby nor business.

Fred

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