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1947 Fifty Cent Varieties

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 Posted 02/19/2016  3:43 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add wildflowerAB to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Okay.let's take a look at 1947 50c, all examples most welcome!

There's always been something I've found very fascinating to the appearance of the 1947 50c, perhaps because the "7" is overly large and its distinctive differences, curved or straight. I also have a funny old story to tell, which I'll post later as well.

Pginrh's research notes indicate there are at least eleven unique Reverse dies, although the mint reported only five. The variance may have resulted through refurbished dies not being included.

Once again the "19" is in fixed position, the "4" and "7" vary in both horizontal and vertical positioning. Presence of the flatback "9" may also be found.

Several unique varieties, too numerous to mention but they include wide and narrow date, relationship of distance of the "7" to the ring, low "4" and doubling or tripling of the "7".

Maple Leaf
In addition of course is the 1947 Maple Leaf, curved or straight "7". While waiting for the new 1948 dies to arrive, after India became independent from British rule requiring the "ET IND:IMP" to be removed from the obverse, the 1947 were reused with application of a small maple leaf to the right of the date. The original mintage was said to be 38,433. If anyone has a ML sample they also don't mind posting it would be very appreciated as I happen to know that our resident expert is interested in the positioning of the ML, I'm guessing because there also may be different 1947 dies used, other than the two stated by the mint.


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 Posted 02/19/2016  3:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyD to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I'll start off with this one because I already have pictures on file.
I believe it is a narrow date, curved 7/7, Die 9
if someone could confirm this.

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 Posted 02/19/2016  4:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wildflowerAB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
My contribution to the Maple Leaf, a straight 7

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According to the Special Section at the back of the 2014 Charlton #68, the details of known variety are:
Round back 9, Wide date, Low straight 4 (as opposed to the flared 4), straight 7/7/7

And that's what I see in my photo, seems all also have a die chip in the "4", the tripling is most evident on the inside of the "7".

As for the far more valuable 1947 Maple leaf, curved 7:
Flat back 9, narrow date, Straight 4, Curved 7 (no doubling)
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 Posted 02/19/2016  4:15 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wildflowerAB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Jimmy, yes I think it looks identical to the photograph of Die 9.

Die 7?
Flatback 9, Narrow Date, Curved 7, should be a straight 4 (looks flared, must just be an illusion).

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**Adding some more, will attempt to identify exact die later **


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Here are my 3

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Welcome viper, the more the merrier!

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1947 50 Cents Straight 7

Round Back 9, Wide Date, Straight 4, Straight 7/7 Die 6 R448f

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1947 50 Cents Curved 7

Flat Back 9, Narrow Date, Straight 4, Curved 7, Die 8

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1947 Maple Leaf 50 Cents

Round Back 9, Low straight 4, Straight 7/7/7
(top corner of 4 broken die)

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*drools*


Love the pics of this thread.... and LOVE the '47 50 cent piece... let's keep 'em comming
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 Posted 02/19/2016  6:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nickelsguy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Silver Dons 7/7 is the die that was repunched with the maple leaf.
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 Posted 02/20/2016  2:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SilverDon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So did the 1947 Straight 7 Die 6 undergo a third repunching
to go from a 7/7 to a 7/7/7 and then adding the Maple Leaf
to get the resulting 1947 ML? I see the match Nickelsguy.

From - Round Back 9, Wide Date, Straight 4, Straight 7/7

Repunch

To - Round Back 9, Low Straight 4, Straight 7/7/7

Very cool, I can't see the tripled 7 on my ML as it is too worn.
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Oh I just discovered I'm unable to add the variety to my photos because it's more than one day.

Oh well, here goes - 6 photos in my above post.

1. Amending it to Die 9, the same as Jimmy's example.
2. Die 8 - Narrow date, curved 7
3. Die 11 - Wide date, curved 7/7
4. Die 6 - Wide date, straight 7/7
5. Die 6 again
6. Die 4 - Wide date, straight 7/7

I'd very much appreciate confirmation or otherwise.......going cross-eyed. What a cool variety 1947 is though!
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@ Viper, photos of the various Dies appear in the Special Section of 2014 Charlton, in case you're wondering.

Your three photos:
1. Die 7 - Flat back 9, Narrow Date, Straight 4, Curved 7
2. ML - Round back 9, Wide Date, Low straight 4, Staight 7/7/7
3. Die 6, Round back 9, Wide Date, Straight 4, Straight 7/7

Subject to confirmation!
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 Posted 02/20/2016  7:09 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add JimmyD to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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Looking at your variety listing of your 6-1947's,
the only one I would question is #2 which you have as Die 8.
I think this should be another Die 9.
Die 8 has a lower 4.
This is only my observation though, don't take it as 100%
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Thanks Jimmy! Originally I'd marked that as a 9 and then I changed it so you may well be right.
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A true story

I grew up on a small town and my father and several of his friends collected coin. When I was quite young in and around 1965 I recall a hot local debate over 1947s 50c --- of the "7"s, which was curved and which was the straight variety?

Eventually it seems the majority of locals had become convinced that straight was curved and curved was straight. Particularly with the rare ML curved 7 variety, maybe they thought they'd lucked out on a little pot at the end of the rainbow, I don't know. But indeed the description is rather confusing and I notice I tend to get it backwards as well.

Anyway, my dad for whatever reason took it upon himself to finally settle the great debate. I don't remember which side he was on but I do recall going with him to visit the coin store in Red Deer, about an hour away by gravel roads at the time. I think Mr Tippie was the coin-man's name and I remember watching fascinated as he patiently and carefully drew these pictures of "7's" on a paper:


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There must have been an accompanying catalogue or list of some sort #1 - 4 to correspond with his drawings, which my dad took back home to show others for definite proof of what was what.

A few decades later, I was utterly surprised to find that he had kept this paper for almost 30 more years, even though by then he often purchased Charlton catalogues. I suppose to him it was an amusing memory as well. On the paper I also notice Mr Tippie added some prices, good salesman that he was, and I also vaguely recall that my dad became very interested in purchasing the ML curved variety for quite some time but he was disappointed that there was absolutely none to be found. In those days, without Internet or email it's difficult to imagine now, but it must have been a real challenge for collectors who didn't reside near large urban centres with numerous coin shops.

So this 50 or so year old drawing has now become my amusing memory and it's also the reason why the 1947 50c is my favourite variety of all. In it is perhaps a lesson - don't throw away absolutely every piece of paper if it might be memorable to others in future years...
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Hey guys and gals I have not been on this site for at least a year because my password would not work and now I can't seem to upload pics on to a post I have the rare 1947 C7 ML
and would like to add it to this thread
so you can do your research on the various types

all help and guidance is very much appreciated
thanks in advance !!
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