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Anyone Else Researching This? Records Of WWII Era US Mint Experiments...

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https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/l...view/3-2ERAP

I posted this link previously in another thread but nobody ever commented on it. I figured I would throw it back out there and give it it's own thread. Food for thought witch I find very interesting myself..
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Oops, can someone please get this moved, I meant to put this in the modern variety and error forum, thx.
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 Posted 02/23/2017  1:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jim7219 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very interesting. I always like to learn about historical things. Thanks
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Oops, can someone please get this moved, I meant to put this in the modern variety and error forum, thx.
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I find it interesting that PCGS would certify a coin that they cannot explain how it was made. They are so sure that I came out the US mint, but have no conclusive story to explain how. I read the entire post on S&B, but I remain skeptical. Anyone else feel the same way?
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Big silver, .

If US Mint did make experimental material trials, wouldn't it be fairly well know among Numisaticists? Ain't no long time expert, but never heard of this one. Other examples of mint employees scrounging test plug over the years iis fairly documented, how about this? Does sound like a batch of hoowee time!

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Well if you read it over n over as I had too,for it to sink in, it's stated as fact. I for one will be getting a copy of the book to gain further knowledge on this subject. PCGS is going out on a limb here, but when someone like Roger Burdette says the mint says they were made, and the documents still exist to prove it, well, you can take it too the bank!
I wonder how many genuine experimental coins have been called fakes when they match the composition, weights, and likeness of these rare coins, of all types!?
Regarding the coin in the link I think they are basically saying that the actual nature of doing experiments and the many variables and anomalies that uccor in this process explain this coin. I'm just guessing the technology we now have is far more accurate then back then witch puts the said coin within tolerance of an " Experimental ". Now where's the other 49 of them! Lol
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I found a different article in this link about the 1964 SMS more interesting:
https://auctions.stacksbowers.com/l...view/3-2ERC7
Makes me wonder if these were stolen from the mint?
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 Posted 02/24/2017  10:48 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dtl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes very interesting also Coop thanks for another good read! One could speculate how the mint employee came into possession, I would like to think his boss that day was being cool and " bought him lunch" ....saying, "yeah go ahead and keep a few if you want, were gonna throw umm away anyhow" ;-) . I would like to think that's how those 1913 Liberty head nickels came about too...
My personal favorite known experimental on record would be the 1942 Glass Penny, recently sold around 70k. Just now I read they made plastic and rubber ones too! I wonder if any of those exist today
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I was just looking through Roger book on the experimental coinage this morning. I'll have to take a look and see if he says anything about this alloy. Experimental tests were also being made in 1942 and early 1943 as well and the late 43 tests mentioned in the link.


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Just now I read they made plastic and rubber ones too!

Don't remember anything about rubber but they did make test strikes in several different forms of plastic and resin impregnated fiber. And yes examples of several different types do still exist today.
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Interesting readings, I actually came across a coin that could fit into this experimental coins area. However, the one I received is from Britain and not from the US mint. It's a 1942 Farthing, I posted it last year on Cointalk website. Heres the link: https://www.cointalk.com/threads/19...hing.287007/

Its sitting on my desk right now with a huge question mark. I keep telling myself that it's just fake. Let me know what you all think. I can always take more photos if needed.

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Awesome pics Coop!!

Jeremy, Be very cautious if you have a possible Experimental coin, as I do.
I recently ventured a couple hundred miles to Rare Coins in Old Downtown Scottsdale, AZ.
The owner and operator, est. 1982, told me a personal story of an 1800's coin he had at one time, it was called a fake and "piece of counterfeit garbage" by 4 different so called experts, 15 years later it was authenticated and he sold it for 6K. That was 15 years ago and that coin is now worth 30k+. The coin I brought to him was seen with open eyes,His opinion after 40 yrs exp. was that my coin was "probably" real. I also went to 4 other "coin dealers" in the area witch told me my coin was a fake but were so very ready to take it to the long beach show, for a price lol. Also one coin shop who flat out lied to me about the magnetism, witch the old timer was happy to reassure me on and agreed the other guy was a BS artist.. So anyway this veteran spent nearly an hour talking with me and happily handling my coin witch he insisted I inform him of the authenticity of when and If I go that route.

I'm finding that it just depends on who you ask about these things. Make sure any questionable coins be seen by someone who knows what the heck they are looking at and talking about ;)

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Interesting post @dtl!

@Coop, do you mean "Bakelite" on that 1942 pattern?
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1974_aluminum_cent

This coin and the circumstances around it are very interesting also. How can they make a claim it was never released if they "re-called" them! Also stating "gave some to U.S congressman"!? What a crock! Now anyone who posses' one is under scrutiny by the FBI and the likes. BS! These Experimental coins will soon have there own category among collectors. They are my favorite, and the rarest of the rare, given as gifts, miss-placed, taken as souveniers or found etc..... You would think the feds have more important issues than missplaced coins! I would have never gave them something that was mine, and far well beyond the statues of limitations, and possesion being 9/10 of the law. But the smithsonian is above the law I guess. I can't believe they stole a coin from an heir of a mint supervisor and a policeman! MEN IN BLACK lol

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I can't believe they stole a coin from an heir of a mint supervisor and a policeman! MEN IN BLACK lol


I am of the opinion that ALL coins stolen from the mint should be confiscated including all the "Mint Sports" that are now a bit commonplace.
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