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*** Edited by Staff to Add Year / Mintmark / Denomination to Title. Titles are Important! ***Here is an otherwise beautiful half with a mark on the reverse. I thought it was just bad toning, as from an envelope lip or something, but, looking at the close up, there appears to be some material splatter, like grease.   The auctioneer describes it as a flan streak, with no other qualifiers and it's straight-graded by PCGS AU58. If the mark were really on the flan or planchet, then it was already there before being struck. In that case, wouldn't the design be over the material instead of under it, as appears on the close up? Anybody see anything similar? Do you think it was before or after striking? The coin is coming up for auction so it would be good to know [ https://coins.ha.com/itm/bust-half-...dLots-101116].
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It was a stained planchet then struck. Yje beak and tip of wing are high points and shows it became worn off. this should not have any MS grade due to this. The stain didn't permeate very deeply tho, but the dark halo around the details does seem to show attempts at cleaning or AT patina?
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Thanks for your reply, Crazyb0. That seems reasonable. But, maybe the darkness around the eagle's head and top of wing were part of the original stain instead of a cleaning or AT? I can't really tell.
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Looks like a run of the mill rubber band stain. Rubber bands leach chemicals onto the surface that stain the coin unevenly across the contact surface, and cannot be removed without altering the surface.
Sometimes you see the stain in a cross pattern, but often the second rubber band across the surface does not actually touch the surface.
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04/19/2018 3:57 pm
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AU-58. Reverse stain looks like PMD. It could be a planchet defect, but without seeing it in hand I think PMD. |
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Looks like a run of the mill rubber band stain. Rubber bands leach chemicals onto the surface that stain the coin unevenly across the contact surface, and cannot be removed without altering the surface. That does look very possible, both from the shape of the stain and the little bits of rubbery goo on the coin. I wonder if there's a test for this because PCGS gave it a straight grade. |
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With or without the stain its an absolutely beautiful coin. AU58
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If this coin is for sale and you are considering buying it, it is a details coin in a straight holder. I would pay about 70% of the straight grade target price due to the damage. Who are you going to trust, a TPG' s grade in a holder or your own eyes? |
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Quote:If this coin is for sale and you are considering buying it, it is a details coin in a straight holder. I would pay about 70% of the straight grade target price due to the damage. Who are you going to trust, a TPG' s grade in a holder or your own eyes? It is a date I've been looking for and the obv is amazing. Still, I agree. Dropping down big bucks it's good to know what you're getting into. I'll watch it but, very likely, it'll go through the roof! |
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Thanks for the link. They don't have the 1821 but I'll keep it bookmarked.
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Weird. I can see a stunning 1821 in stock. Can you search for sku 13392012 in the site?
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Good advice. A problem regardless of the reason.
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For some reason that streak doesn't bother me. I dislike fingerprints and carbon spots but that streak could be the result of anything. A rubber band streak is possible but it appears to have some dirt built up which would eliminate that. It's going on a 200 year old coinand I think anyone's guesses as to it's cause are just that...a guess.
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Whatever it is, it ruins the entire coin's eye appeal IMO. It's a shame, because the obverse looks really nice.
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