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Why Do Planchet Flaws Get A Details Grade?

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When I was doing some research on a Peace dollar I noticed that all the graded ones with a Planchet Flaw had a details grade. Why is this? Isn't a Planchet Flaw a mint error?

Here are a few I found on ewwbay
https://www.ebay.com/itm/1923-Peace...AOSwX49a62HD

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1922-Silve...AOSwguxZelyH

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1924-Peace...AOSw3pZbBfH1

Is it the Planchet Flaw causing the details grades on these? Or am I missing something here?

Thanks for any info...Mont
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Errors have to be submitted as errors. If they aren't sent as errors they can often end up with details grades.
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In essence, they can't be labeled as errors unless you pay more (in many cases), no matter how obvious the error may be. You get what you pay for and that's a solid business practice on their part.

The PCGS Mint Error submission fee is $65, while the Regular fee is $35 and the Modern is just $16. So, if you want your modern Mint error labeled as such, even if it's only worth $200, then you need to add $49 in fees. The primary difference I see in service levels is maximum coin value. The Mint Error level allows Coins up to $20,000, but the Modern level only up to $300 and Regular up to $3,000. The Express level has the same fee and maximum coin value as Mint Error, so it's really more about coin value than anything.

It's not worth paying the higher fee when submitting error coins valued under $300 (in my opinion). If it falls more in the $300-$3,000 range, then I would consider paying the extra $30 over the Regular level fee to have the error attributed on the label.

But, I've never submitted a coin for grading.

It does make me wonder, though, if I submitted a genuine 1943 copper LWC for normal grading under the Regular service level, would the grader(s) actually sit there and grade it as if the obvious was not obvious? Or, would they contact me and say, "Hey, if you pay $30 more, we can label this correctly"?
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t's not worth paying the higher fee when submitting error coins valued under $300 (in my opinion).


I agree, errors are the one thing I don't like PCGS for due to the cost unless they are very valuable. I like ICG on the cheaper ones as they don't charge an error fee.


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It does make me wonder, though, if I submitted a genuine 1943 copper LWC for normal grading under the Regular service level, would the grader(s) actually sit there and grade it as if the obvious was not obvious? Or, would they contact me and say, "Hey, if you pay $30 more, we can label this correctly"?


You would have to submit it on the walkthrough or the rarity level if its a good one. It's really not viewed as an "error" coin though. It has it's own number and population report at PCGS so all you would have to do is submit it, it doesn't need to be submitted as an error
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So because the customer didn't pay for the error attribution they call it Authentic Details...Planchet Flaw?

I just found this on the PCGS website.
https://www.PCGS.com/news/no-grade-coins-pt5

Top section explains it. To me it sounds more like they consider it a damage coin. Unacceptable to collectors. Don't error collectors collect these? Especially if they are severe?

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So because the customer didn't pay for the error attribution they call it Authentic Details...Planchet Flaw?


That's how I see it. Although, ultimately, a planchet flaw is a true Mint Error. The argument may arise (in the case of lamination peels) from "when did it peel away from the coin"? If well after the strike, then I suppose there is room to exclude the Mint from responsibility (even though that is technically untrue because it allowed/caused the propensity).

By definition, planchet flaws involving struck coins in circulation are errors of the Mint (in more than one way).

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By definition, planchet flaws involving struck coins in circulation are errors of the Mint (in more than one way).


Why? Because they didn't catch them and allowed them to get out?

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