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I am curious if you were looking specifically for a grosso of this doge?
I think slightly later grossi can be gotten in nice grade for a reasonable price.
I am curious if you were looking specifically for a grosso of this doge?
I think slightly later grossi can be gotten in nice grade for a reasonable price.
You might similarly ask why do people buy widows mites? Its the story. Later Grosso are cheaper but the are not the GROSSO. This example cost with BP €347.00. I expect to pay close to a €1000.00 for a high grade example if I can find one!!
For those who do not know; The story( as brief as I can make it):
Prior to Enrico Dandolos rule the coin of Europe was the denaro/silver penny. A small, often weighing less than a gram, light weight coin. While Europe was still an economic back water the Denaro was perfectly adequate. As Europe developed and started to redirect the trade routes back to the west/away from Constantinople, there was a demand for larger weight silver coins. around 1194( just after the start of Enricos rule the Serenissma approved the striking of the grosso to meet this need. It is generally believed that Venice was the fist state to produce the needed large Silver coin. MY reading suggests that it is quite possible other states had already produced "grosso" but it was the Venice coin that literally changed the world.
I won't go into all the detail... for those interested I suggest you read up on the travesty that was the fourth Crusade. just Prior to that Crusade the old half blind Doge( Enrico) had overseen the conclusion of a valuable trade treaty with Egypt. When the POpe called for the fourth Crusade and can just Imagine how the old half Blind Doge reacted. The pope had decided this latest expedition would start with an invasion of Egypt. Despite this Venice agreed to transport Crusaders( those who decided to depart from Venice). This would require a significant number of new ships. The Denaro was just too small to pay the Galley Builders, Ships provedores and sailors. So if it hadn't already been struck, the first Grosso was now struck in large numbers to enable the fourth Crusade. It was still very much a farce as the costs were phenomenal. The Crusaders agreed to pay the Venetians 80-85 thousand marks of silver to cover the costs but only paid a total of 50,000 marks in two payments( 35000 and 15000) this was such a financial threat to Venice Enrico did the only thing he could... he took over the leadership of the Crusade. To help pay for the building supplying and crewing of the Galleys First the Crusaders helped Venice subdue the colony of Zadar( some write "Zara"). Then in 1204, under the misguided aim of restoring the rightful ruler to the throne that Crusade sacked Constantinople. As the Crusade had turned against Christians it had been excommunicated( just after the invasion of Zadar) by the Pope. Later excommunications of Venice would have devastating effects on the Republic but, during the Fourth Crusade it was a particularly pointless move. Pointless as the people who might loot Venice were the very Crusaders who were under the control of the Venetians. The sack of Constantinople fatally wounded Byzantium( it never really recovered politically and economically and its decline accelerated after the sacking) Venice received over 150,000 marks worth of the loot( you can see some of it on (and in) St marks in Venice today. The Pope despite his protestations did not decline his share of the loot. The Grosso that helped pay for this travesty became the foremost trade coin in the Levant. It was imitated widely and in the development of modern coinage that coin is arguably the direct ancestor of the US dollar.
the need for the Grosso forced the development of minting technology. If you put a gold Florin beside a Venetian Grosso you can see that the gold florin/Ducat/ Guilden/Escudo)have I spelt that correctly) are gold off metal strikes of Grosso. So the evolution of modern Coinage( only identifying the key coins in the process and skipping over intermediate developments):
Venetian Grosso======> Gold Florin======>Joachimthaler Guilden Groschen ( the Habsburg 1486 Guilden Groschen was a show coin and cost more to make than it was worth)=======> Dutch Lion Thaler ( this was the first Silver dollar sized coin used in the American Colonies) which was the coin that is the true ancestor of the American Dollar. Many people believe it was the Scottish that created the term "dollar" from the dutch word Daalder( from thaler). However this is a UK centric Myth. there is no evidence for the Scottish claim. IN the American Colonies the Dutch Lion Thaler( Daalder) was nickked named the Dog Dollar and it was in North America that the word Dollar was "coined"
So for me the Grosso of Enrico Dandolo allows me to reach out and touch the sacking of Constantinople, the rise of Western European economic power, the end of the eastern Roman Empire, and the development of the Dollar. A later Grosso just would not mean so much to me in comparison to all that.
Edited by austrokiwi
10/26/2018 02:17 am
10/26/2018 02:17 am



























