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I Got An Unexpected Surprise In The Mail. Chinese Experts Help A Brother Out.

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 Posted 03/19/2022  10:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add windweaver77 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I found it!!!

Well the design.

It's based on the 5 fen!!!

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces241753.html

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 Posted 03/19/2022  11:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add windweaver77 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks for the help guys... this example I have is not silver( if the ring test is conclusive), as I had thought. It is patterned after the 5 fen.

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03/19/2022 11:26 am
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 Posted 03/19/2022  1:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I leaning more and more to it being a recent replica/fantasy piece with origins in China.

The toning around the devices is synonymous to other replica pieces that have a similar appearance.

If it were a genuine coin it would be in a catalog —- somewhere!

At least you didn't have to pay for it! (Unless of course the other coin you bought turns out to be counterfeit!)
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 Posted 03/19/2022  4:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Albert to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I still think it's a great piece / wonderful find if you collect non-genuine Chinese coins.
Just how did you come across it? Apparently you bought a coin(s) on some online source and the seller just included this piece?
Wish I was lucky like that. I have to search for mine and apparently there's some out there just to be had as freebies.
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 Posted 03/19/2022  4:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CurrencyLooker to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I know for a fact that 10 cent fatmans were only minted in 1914 (year 3) and 1916 (year 5). Of which 1916's are rare and are worth a good chunk.

Your 10 cent fatman is an actual design but on the wrong denomination. In 1914 there were plans to issue a 5 cent fatman made of nickel with that design but was never issued and only trial pieces exist today. I provided an image of what they look like below:

I-Got-An-Unexpected--Surprise-In-The-Mail.-Chinese-Experts-Help-A-Brother-Out.

Additionally no 1920 (year 9) or 1921 (year 10, which is the date of your piece) fatman 10 cents were ever produced even as trial pieces. I checked some amazing Chinese sources about Chinese coins and they all said the same thing. So your coin is definitely a fake and it is most likely a collector trap used to fool people.
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03/19/2022 5:00 pm
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 Posted 03/19/2022  5:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Albert to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Maybe to trap or fool the unwary, unless someone has a hobby to collect and document such pieces.
They are interesting to photograph, observe and measure.
Then make binder pages illustrating what's right and wrong about them.
I made one binder of Twenty Cent Pieces where every one of them was steel attracted to a magnet.
Details were sharp, well defined and well made.
Another binder was again Twenty Cent Pieces, but none of those were attracted to a magnet.
They mostly imitated rare pieces as well as some being nonsense.
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