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I Got An Unexpected Surprise In The Mail. Chinese Experts Help A Brother Out.

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 Posted 03/19/2022  08:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Keith67 to your friends list
We cant see the date on the coin in your videos. Photos would be much better
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 Posted 03/19/2022  09:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add triggersmob to your friends list
Probably a fake where someone has used the reverse design of the 1 jiao, but the obverse design from the 1921 Fat Man 1 yuan.
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 Posted 03/19/2022  10:01 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add windweaver77 to your friends list
@Keith12 What is it that you want to see?

The scale?

I can read a scale. The scale says 2.72 grams. The date is 1921 go back to the original post. It's there.

I didn't use a different coin. I don't own an fat man coins other than this one.
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03/19/2022 10:06 am
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 Posted 03/19/2022  10:03 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add windweaver77 to your friends list
@Triggersmob

Do you have a link with something like this?

I'd love to see it.

I haven't found a single coin on earth with this obverse, in any denomination.
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 Posted 03/19/2022  10:04 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Petespockets55 to your friends list
I'm with those suggesting it is counterfeit.

(Triggersmob probably has it right since you can't seem to find a coin with matching devices.)
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 Posted 03/19/2022  10:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add windweaver77 to your friends list
@petespockets55

I would love to see a scan of this Yuan coin with that obverse. That's all I am saying.

I have contacted the seller and asked her where she gor this from.

Hopefully she'll have some answers.
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 Posted 03/19/2022  10:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add windweaver77 to your friends list
I found another one but with a different date in the image section when I searched " fat man coin."

I-Got-An-Unexpected--Surprise-In-The-Mail.-Chinese-Experts-Help-A-Brother-Out.

However this example has a different reverse.
I-Got-An-Unexpected--Surprise-In-The-Mail.-Chinese-Experts-Help-A-Brother-Out.

It is from an auction website, but the auction is over. No details on the auction other than " fat man small coin"
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03/19/2022 10:28 am
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 Posted 03/19/2022  10:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add windweaver77 to your friends list
@keith12

Photos of the coin on the scale
I-Got-An-Unexpected--Surprise-In-The-Mail.-Chinese-Experts-Help-A-Brother-Out.

I-Got-An-Unexpected--Surprise-In-The-Mail.-Chinese-Experts-Help-A-Brother-Out.

What other tests you guys want to see?
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 Posted 03/19/2022  10:36 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add windweaver77 to your friends list
I am ringing this thing ... and I compared it to some other stuff.

Yeah. I agree, it's probably fake( or at least not silver, more likely nickel by the sound of it). Or at the very least made of something other than silver.

It's hard to ring such a tiny coin with such big fingers, though.
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03/19/2022 11:02 am
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 Posted 03/19/2022  10:53 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add windweaver77 to your friends list
I found it!!!

Well the design.

It's based on the 5 fen!!!

https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces241753.html

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 Posted 03/19/2022  11:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add windweaver77 to your friends list
Thanks for the help guys... this example I have is not silver( if the ring test is conclusive), as I had thought. It is patterned after the 5 fen.

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03/19/2022 11:26 am
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 Posted 03/19/2022  1:13 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add westernsky to your friends list
I leaning more and more to it being a recent replica/fantasy piece with origins in China.

The toning around the devices is synonymous to other replica pieces that have a similar appearance.

If it were a genuine coin it would be in a catalog —- somewhere!

At least you didn't have to pay for it! (Unless of course the other coin you bought turns out to be counterfeit!)
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 Posted 03/19/2022  4:43 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Albert to your friends list
I still think it's a great piece / wonderful find if you collect non-genuine Chinese coins.
Just how did you come across it? Apparently you bought a coin(s) on some online source and the seller just included this piece?
Wish I was lucky like that. I have to search for mine and apparently there's some out there just to be had as freebies.
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 Posted 03/19/2022  4:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CurrencyLooker to your friends list
I know for a fact that 10 cent fatmans were only minted in 1914 (year 3) and 1916 (year 5). Of which 1916's are rare and are worth a good chunk.

Your 10 cent fatman is an actual design but on the wrong denomination. In 1914 there were plans to issue a 5 cent fatman made of nickel with that design but was never issued and only trial pieces exist today. I provided an image of what they look like below:

I-Got-An-Unexpected--Surprise-In-The-Mail.-Chinese-Experts-Help-A-Brother-Out.

Additionally no 1920 (year 9) or 1921 (year 10, which is the date of your piece) fatman 10 cents were ever produced even as trial pieces. I checked some amazing Chinese sources about Chinese coins and they all said the same thing. So your coin is definitely a fake and it is most likely a collector trap used to fool people.
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03/19/2022 5:00 pm
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 Posted 03/19/2022  5:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Albert to your friends list
Maybe to trap or fool the unwary, unless someone has a hobby to collect and document such pieces.
They are interesting to photograph, observe and measure.
Then make binder pages illustrating what's right and wrong about them.
I made one binder of Twenty Cent Pieces where every one of them was steel attracted to a magnet.
Details were sharp, well defined and well made.
Another binder was again Twenty Cent Pieces, but none of those were attracted to a magnet.
They mostly imitated rare pieces as well as some being nonsense.
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