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1966 Lincoln Memorial Cents Tough In Better MSRD Grades

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PCGS - Lincoln Memorial Cents remain abundant in circulation channels and on the marketplace despite the last representatives of this long-running, popular subtype running off the production line back in 2008. Surely it can be said that the Lincoln Memorial cent doesn't offer much in the way of regular-issue rarities; of course there are notable exceptions, such as the 1969-S and 1972 doubled dies, the 1984 and 1988 doubled ear coins, 1990 No S Proof, the " Close AM" anomalies of 1992, and the various " Wide AM" pieces from the late 1990s and early 2000s.

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1966 Lincoln Cent, PCGS MS66RB.

However, almost every issue in the series becomes more challenging in higher Mint State grades, especially when crossing the MS67RD threshold. Some dates are even tougher, becoming scarce in MS66RD. That was the case with the 1966 Lincoln Cent, which came from a year when the lack of mint marks made it difficult to know which facility produced it.

In the mid-1960s, the U.S. Mint had refrained from adding mintmarks to its coins during a major coin shortage that many blamed on coin collectors (bullion hoarders, not necessarily numismatists, were primarily responsible for pulling 90% silver coins out of circulation at a time of rising bullion prices). The removal of mintmarks was theorized as one of the best ways to stem collecting activity, and this meant that none of the U.S. Mint coins struck in 1965, 1966, or 1967 contain a mintmark, even though all three fully operating mints of the era (those located in Philadelphia, Denver, and San Francisco) busily produced coins at the time.

Among these was the 1966 Lincoln Cent, which was aptly struck at the Philadelphia, Denver, and San Francisco Mints. However, you will never be able to tell a 1966 Lincoln Cent that was made at the Philadelphia Mint apart from one that came from Denver or San Francisco. And that was the whole idea of the mintmark moratorium - so collectors couldn't tell what coin came from which mint. In the case of the 1966 Lincoln Cents, U.S. Mint records indicate Philadelphia struck 811,100,000, Denver produced 991,431,200, and San Francisco emitted 383,355,000. Again, no die markers are known that will help collectors tell these coins apart.

What collectors do know is this: the 1966 Lincoln Cent isn't the easiest coin in the series to acquire, especially in better grades. Even many of those who seek circulated examples from circulation know that 1966 Lincoln Cents are tough to find, though values for worn pieces is generally only a couple to a few cents for the coin's copper value. In the Mint State grades, values hover between $3 and $5 for those in the MS63 to MS64, while an MS65RD fetches about $15 to $20. Prices lurch upward beyond $30 for an MS65RD and skyrocket to more than $900 for MS67RD examples, of which PCGS has graded fewer than 50 as of this writing.

As for the 1966 SMS Lincoln Cents, they were sold in Special Mint Sets that were offered by the U.S. Mint in place of the traditional proof sets and uncirculated sets of earlier years. The 1966 SMS Lincoln Cents were minted in much smaller numbers (2,261,583) than the 1966 business-strike cents (which saw over 2 billion made). The uncirculated strikes are much scarcer in better grades than those from the Special Mint Sets, which typically grade in the 66 or 67 numerical range, with graded examples known up to SP69.

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So, my SMS 1966 Cents are less valuable than regular circulation strikes, even in lower grades? That kinda stinks.

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So, my SMS 1966 Cents are less valuable than regular circulation strikes, even in lower grades? That kinda stinks.


I guess so.
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TPGs are also very protective of their pops on these to an annoying degree, see the attached

https://goccf.com/t/403708&whichpage=1
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So, my SMS 1966 Cents are less valuable than regular circulation strikes, even in lower grades? That kinda stinks.
Sadly but true,
However your 1964 SMS is still worth a pretty penny.....
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Good informative read, thank you for posting.
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Yes, great info...a good read!
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I've always loved the '66 cent. I always picked up nice rolls when I saw them starting back then.

Recently there was a great offer for them and I have to get rid of my coins so I went through about 40 rolls and partial rolls of cherry picked cents and was surprised by what I found. There were no varieties and even though these coins were all cherry there were fewer than a couple dozen that were true Gems (well struck by good dies and clean). "20 rolls had to go to the bank because they had spots or tarnish or were otherwise substandard. I was able to put together only 17 beautiful rolls.

I can't imagine where future collectors are going to get coins like this. I don't know anyone else who saved these coins and "850" specimens isn't going to go very far.

People talk about the coin in circulation but this date is very rarely seen and is invariably heavily worn AND tarnished and many are very poorly struck by worn dies.

Collectors miscalculated and the coins are gone.
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So, my SMS 1966 Cents are less valuable than regular circulation strikes, even in lower grades? That kinda stinks.


Well, that depends. It's complicated.

Attrition on SMS coins is also massive and there are far fewer survivors than most people realize. What's complex is that neither the SMS nor the coins made for circulation are interchangeable and some SMS coins look like circulation issues and vice versa. Most SMS coins look SMS (99%)and most coins made for circulation look Unc (99.9%). But only three quarters of a million survive and many are tarnished or degraded (40%).

Even as made a lot of the SMS coins were not so attractive and these are held to a higher standard.

A lot of collectors just won't be able to buy nice attractive MS-64 cents so will have to buy SMS for this date. Some will want both and sone will want only the SMS.

It will simply depend on what people choose to collect and right now we're seeing what these choices are shaping up to be. This date will be about equally scarce in nice ch BU as it is in Gem SMS. People imagine there are millions and millions of nice choice rolls of these but they are mistaken. The coin was lightly saved, low mintage, and prone to developing problems. People would have saved more but so many were ugly so they didn't. A lot of the rolls that were saved are ugly and can't be retailed as chBU.

All this new demand is retail and the coins just aren't there. The retailers are selling what they have but the buyers are getting more sophisticated and want the tough dates too so retailers are scrambling to get supply. We're watching a tiny demand hit almost no supply at all in real time.

I believe it's going to get very interesting.
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Am I the only one who thinks PCGS articles like this are mostly an attempt to get more folks to submit rolls and rolls of coins to PCGS hoping to get the lucky number? The pop report at PCGS shows a total of over 1500 total red graded with 476 coins at 66/66+ and 64 coins at 67/67+. None over 67+. If you click on their link to "shop with affiliates" you will see 46 coins at PCGS MS-66 offered for sale in groups as large as 18 coins! That's almost 10% of the total 66's graded for sale right now!

I suspect in the next 6 months we will see the total graded jump up a bunch. That's just good business for PCGS. We'll see if any more get the magic numbers.

The 1966 cent is not a rare coin but I can't blame anyone who wants the very, very best for their collection. Collect what you love, whatever it is, and whatever you can afford. I suspect there are a lot more BU rolls out there than folks suspect and this article might just shake them loose. The pop report will be interesting to watch over the next few months.
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In the mid-1960s, the U.S. Mint had refrained from adding mintmarks to its coins during a major coin shortage that many blamed on coin collectors...


That's not quite true.

http://congress.gov/89/statute/STAT...79-Pg254.pdf (last sentence)

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The mint may have DESIRED to remove mintmarks. They may have worked with Congress on the enabling legislation. But the reason that we don't have mintmarks is that Congress directed the mint to remove them.
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