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 Posted 02/25/2009  09:57 am Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add rosso_rubino to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
Hello,
can somebody help explaining the meaning of some references close to the coins pictures in the Schjoth Cinese Currency catalogue ?
I mean the "C#,##" reference, that I'm not able to understand.
I don't know if it is related to my low english knowledge or something else.
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 Posted 03/02/2009  09:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rosso_rubino to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
WOW, nobody answering to this topic.

Please give me a feed-back, is it booring or really nobody has this knowledge ?
Since at least 30 collectors red it.

keep in touch ...
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 Posted 03/02/2009  4:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add hc8604 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't think nobody knows the answer.

I don't think I have ever seen or heard of the book, "Schjoth Chinese Currency Catalog."

Plus I don't know what "Schjoth" is or how it is associated with China.
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Yup, I don't know anything about this. How about showing us a page? I bet someone here could decipher it.

I think Sap should take a look at this. He's the cash coin expert here...
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 Posted 03/02/2009  7:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"Schjoth" is the author of what was, until the 1990's, the only comprehensive and accurate English-language catalogue of Chinese coins; there are a couple for sale on Amazon right now. It's still considered a standard work.

I didn't reply when the OP was posted, because I don't have a Schjoth, I only have a Jen (Krause) book, which quotes Schjoth's numbers, and those aren't in the format you describe.

If you can scan a page or picture with the mysterious marks, I might be able to tell you what they're for. Offhand, my best guess is a measurement of diameter, in centimetres, with the comma acting as a decimal point in the European fashion.
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 Posted 03/03/2009  02:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rosso_rubino to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks a lot for your opinion, I have a quite used copy of this catalogue, anyway I'll provide some pages as example
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 Posted 03/03/2009  02:47 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Bacchus2 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I do have Schjoth (he was a Swedish - I think - collector and this is a record of his collection) and it is a "kind of" useful reference. Up to 10 years ago it was invaluable - but more recent research has suggested that the dating is out in some areas and other things are just wrong. The Krause catalogues are by no means perfect here either.

For better references on Chinese coins Hartill is propably one of the best and Jen is better than Schjoth (though I seem to remember some critisms of it but can't remember what)

I'm at work (shhh don;t tell the boss!) so can't check my copy at the momment - it's been years since I opened it
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 Posted 03/03/2009  04:13 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Jen is better than Schjoth (though I seem to remember some critisms of it but can't remember what)

Jen has several errors, notably in the numbering system and a couple of mislabelled pictures (I have a first edition, and I don't think there's been a second edition to correct them) and for a beginner, these errors can cause confusion. Advanced collectors also hate it because the listings for their favourite series are either incomplete or missing. But for an intermediate collector like me, it does the job just fine.
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I also beleive Jen is not so good, there are several coin missing compared to Schjoth, and in some cases on Schjoth there are also more pictures than Krause.
Anyway, Bacchus2 could you explain the meaning of [C#,##] reference reported on some Scjoth reverse coin pictures ?
I'm attaching some scanned pages of Schjoth:

1st Cover page

Image: Info-About-Chinese-Schjoth-Catalogue Schjoth01.jpg
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2nd Title page

Image: Info-About-Chinese-Schjoth-Catalogue Schjoth02.jpg
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3rd Index page

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4th and 5th Coins description pages

Image: Info-About-Chinese-Schjoth-Catalogue Schjoth04.jpg
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Image: Info-About-Chinese-Schjoth-Catalogue Schjoth05.jpg
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6th and 7th Coins pictures pages

Image: Info-About-Chinese-Schjoth-Catalogue Schjoth06.jpg
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Image: Info-About-Chinese-Schjoth-Catalogue Schjoth07.jpg
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you can see in the 6th page there are only catalogue reference number associated to coins reverse pictures, while in the 7th page there are several coins w/ in addition the nreference number [C#,##]
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 Posted 03/04/2009  08:09 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rosso_rubino to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry, I forgot to say that on some pages there are several pencil notes due to previous catalogue owner, dont't think they are part of the catalogue.
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 Posted 03/04/2009  10:39 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ah. I believe these are references to the old Craig catalogue of world coins (a precursor to Krause), which covered the period 1750-1850. You'll sometimes see C#s used in Krause, too.

To check this theory: all the coins with these "C#s" should have had at least part of their reign between 1750 and 1850. If C#s appear for emperors who only reigned outside this range, then my theory is wrong.
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 Posted 03/14/2009  1:08 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add rosso_rubino to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
SAP, it seems you are right, the first C#-# reference strt w/ Kao Tsung and his reign eas between AD 1736-1795, but they continue up to Kuang Hsu AD 1865-1908.
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