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Ncgx - Do We Really Need A 10-Point Grading Scale?

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Just another marketing ploy .
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I'd still like to see an electronic photo scan grading system, at least attempted, less opinionated.
My wild guess is that is, at best, a decade away. I believe building an AI to do it is the easy part, teaching that AI to do it will take time.
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Take me back to the 60's way of grading coins . G ,VG ,F ,VF ,EF , and Unc . That was it short and sweet . To all new collectors : lots of luck in your future coin collecting hobby .
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 Posted 11/17/2022  12:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add AES to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It's just a marketing scheme they've devised with third parties to sell modern coins to a wider audience.


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NGCX-certified modern coins, minted from 1982 to present, will be available through select retailers beginning January 2023. For a list of qualifying retailers, go here >

At this time, NGCX is not available for regular submissions to NGC, which will continue to be graded according the 70-point scale.
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the 70 point scale was established by william sheldon for large cents. this is a verifiable fact. it was a price metric. if a coin grading ag3 was worth $3 a coin grading g6 would be worth $6 and an ms62 would sell for $62. even at the time this didnt really work in practice.

NGCXtreeme (hang ten bro!) isn't doing anything unique. people have been trying to adopt a 100 or 10 point scale since before I was born.

for me this is a solution to a problem nobody had. a decision made by a room full of people who dont collect coins.

i do hope this falls flat. I dont want to have to talk about EAC grading vs PCGS grading VS NGCX grading. I dont want my price guides to have to have pages of additional sheets for different grade standards. most of all I dont want the confusion thats going to arise. hey, ive got this great coin in an NGC 8 holder...whats it worth? what is my NGC 6 coin selling for on ebay? it breaks the jargon, hampers search boolean, and detaches numismatics from its rich history. I dont see an upside, but one might exist. hard pass from me.

ill still buy coins in those holders, but I do that with all the holders. I have no intention of using this scale, but I dont really use the market grade scale that they are currently on about either. I'm not the target audience here.
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A 100 point grading scale is the most logical, and thus will be summarily rejected because of tradition and inertia.
By the way, how many teaspoons of water does it take to make 3 pounds?
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NGCX 'select' retailers... I sure hope to find these products at Costco. Imagine a few pallets of NGCX 2006 D quarters stacked next to multi-packs of printer ink.
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Never had any issues with the sheldon 70 point system.
sure hope it falls flat......
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I've never had an issue with the sheldon system either & I'm not a fan of the 10 point grading system.
I've been collecting for a couple years... Favorite Coin's are Standing Liberty quarters, Working on my type set | Coffee, Corvettes, Coins & the CCF what could be better?
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I like raw coins
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The story I've read was that the numbers were supposed to be price multipliers, such that a G-4 was four times the price of a Poor-1, and a MS-60 was sixty times the price. Of course that's not how prices actually work, especially at the upper range, so it makes little sense as a story.

That is exactly what the Sheldon scale was, a pricing guide, not a grading scale. And the priceing scale was originally developed for 1794 large cent and pretty much the rest of the early date cents. You say that's not how the prices actually work especially at the upper range, but in the 1930's and 40's when the scale was developed that was EXACTLY how they worked. (Sheldon seemed to think he had discovered some "natural law of cent values".) Each Poor 1 or basal state variety had a given set value and the multipliers worked fine. But after Early American Cents was published more collectors entered the market for early date varieties, and naturally that created increased demand for the higher graded pieces and the pricing scale went out the window.
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Good idea as it gels with

They are actually working with 100 tiers if you count decimals. 50'ish if they round to .2 like comics

Can't wait to see the price guide...
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Sure, lets break them out of the slabs, send them in, spend money, get a new grade that will be interpreted just like the old grade. Go 0-100 or just leave it alone, better yet leave it alone. The 70 scale (don't like to use the name) has done well for so long. If it ain't broke don't fix it.
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Fast forward 2 years and I suspect this will no longer exist due to lack of interest.
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I will NOT accept coins in NGCX slabs.

I'm old school and will not buy a coin graded like this.
I'm sure some people will buy into this just like I'll keep my money and move on to something else
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