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Jefferson Nickel Collectors Unite: 1950-D MS-67fs With Some Decent Toning

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 Posted 08/24/2025  10:54 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Marc Ingram to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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The only grade that's relevant is the one on the current label, so of course it should be sold as an MS-67FS. But that's why you buy the coin and not the slab. Personally I think it's an outstanding 50-D with great eye appeal. And the FS designation is so inconsistent—we've seen much worse posted here that were attributed as FS.


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 Posted 08/24/2025  11:42 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinForMe to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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But that's why you buy the coin and not the slab.

So in a way you are saying it's OK to do what the Chinese sellers do, sell something that is not..

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Personally I think it's an outstanding 50-D with great eye appeal.

Hmm, Eye appealing does not make it a 67, but it does attract potential buyers.

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And the FS designation is so inconsistent

Especially, those by PCGS..
Thank you so much nickelsearcherquote for this interesting dialogue, I like seeing what others think..
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So in a way you are saying it's OK to do what the Chinese sellers do, sell something that is not.


Absolutely not. PCGS felt this was a 67FS. Just because you don't agree based on the photos doesn't mean it's an incorrect grade. If you're going to totally disregard PCGS' opinion, why not just sell it as an MS-68 because you believe it is?
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 Posted 08/24/2025  4:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Marc Ingram to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
nickelsearcher wrote: IMO this is a coin that needs to stay in that slab to preserve the value as MS67FS.


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Just a question: Would you sell this coin as an MS67 FS, knowing that it's not represented as ANACS MS65, as initially stated?
Most of us agree it's not an "FS", and the pictures don't show (to me anyway) it's an MS67...


So you're saying I should send it back to PCGS with a note, telling them they graded it to high?.....it should only be a 65?
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 Posted 08/24/2025  5:07 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MisterT to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes it is a nice looking key date nickel. I would have to assess it in hand rather than just pictures to determine a grade since some of the markings may be on the lens rather than on the coin. Given the pics provided, I think it is over graded. The only relevant grade isn't what the TPG determined but rather what a potential buyer believes it grades for a value. We always hear "buy the coin, not the slab". TPG's aren't gods and they make mistakes too. It is simply their opinion. From the pics provided I personally wouldn't pay 67 FS money for this coin without first seeing it in hand.
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The only relevant grade isn't what the TPG determined but rather what a potential buyer believes it grades for a value. We always hear "buy the coin, not the slab". TPG's aren't gods and they make mistakes too. It is simply their opinion. From the pics provided I personally wouldn't pay 67 FS money for this coin without first seeing it in hand.


Exactly right! And that's why when I viewed the coin before the auction, I thought is was way under graded. Plus, it was nice to get a second opinion. I was surprised I was the only bidder.

It's nice to come out ahead in this hobby every now and then. I've taken a beating much more then I have won over the years.
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BTW: I'm not a professional, I'm just a hobbyist.
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 Posted 08/24/2025  9:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinForMe to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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So you're saying I should send it back to PCGS with a note, telling them they graded it to high?.....it should only be a 65?

No, I don't expect you to do that, but if your going to sell, tell the buyer that another grading company rated this coin as an MS65 with no FS designation..
So, tell me: Who's right, ANACS with its MS65 or PCGS with MS67 FS?
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 Posted 08/24/2025  9:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinForMe to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Absolutely not. PCGS felt this was a 67FS. Just because you don't agree based on the photos doesn't mean it's an incorrect grade. If you're going to totally disregard PCGS' opinion, why not just sell it as an MS-68 because you believe it is?

You're correct, I disagree with the MS67 FS, and guess what, so did ANACS, and they had in hand...
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Marc Ingram, can you post a close-up picture of the right side of the stairs and another of the front door. Thanks!
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No, I don't expect you to do that, but if your going to sell, tell the buyer that another grading company rated this coin as an MS65 with no FS designation..


So you want me to be honest with the next buyer and tell them about the previous grade but not honest enough to send it back to PCGS and have them change the grade back to 65?

I'm a pretty nice guy but I'm not that nice.


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So, tell me: Who's right, ANACS with its MS65 or PCGS with MS67 FS?


It's "ALL" subjective.
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Marc Ingram, can you post a close-up picture of the right side of the stairs and another of the front door. Thanks!


I'll try tomorrow. It's getting late here.
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Here you go @CoinForMe


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Marc Ingram Thank you so much for posting the new close-up pictures.
The Door: I was thinking you had a die break (my 5-cent coin has a die break in that area). This now looks more like a scratch..
The Stairs: This is a 5FS coin. First step from the bottom is not complete...
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So, tell me: Who's right, ANACS with its MS65 or PCGS with MS67 FS?


For what it's worth, here is my personal opinion on this. ANACS evaluates coins on a strictly technical perspective. Registry sets are not a consideration and eye appeal has less bearing on their grades. That's why I think their grades are often a point higher or (usually) lower than the other two companies. For PCGS and ANACS, you must request FS evaluation (I'm not familiar with NGC practices but have heard they may automatically look at the steps.) All three companies have different criteria for FS, with PCGS being the most lenient. We've had this discussion on the forum more than once. FS designation should be considered an indication of strike quality, so any nicks across the steps should not matter, but they do matter at NGC (maybe at ANACS - I haven't tested that hypothesis.) PCGS will issue FS designation if they're all there regardless of insignificant hits. The 5FS/6FS designation is subject to date - the dies were changed at some point.

SO, I would not be concerned at all about what ANACS originally gave the coin. The holder it's in now is what counts and it's up to me to decide if I agree with it. If I'm looking at a high-dollar coin, I'll do my own homework to decide if it has been regraded and what the older grades were. There would be no subterfuge involved.
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