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As I stated in a previous post, I believe that for the past few years PCGS has graded higher grade Canadian bronze coinage more strictly that ICCS. There are, of course, exceptions to that because all TPG get things wrong sometimes. But in general, I believe my statement to be true. It was not always that way. Before about 2003 ICCS was much tougher. Here are two coins that I purchased in the old ICCS embossed holders. Please guess both the ICCS grade and the PCGS grade assigned to each coin.    http://www.victoriancent.com2011 & 2025 Fred Bowman Literary Award Winner, 2020 J. Douglas Ferguson Award Winner, & 2022 Paul Fiocca Award Winner. Life Member of RCNA.
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http://www.victoriancent.com2011 & 2025 Fred Bowman Literary Award Winner, 2020 J. Douglas Ferguson Award Winner, & 2022 Paul Fiocca Award Winner. Life Member of RCNA.
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Sorry, I put this under the wrong sub-forum. Meant to put it in the grading one. Oh, well!
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I'm going to give it a try I don't have a lot of PCGS graded coins so I'll give grade I think they would bring. From 1ST coin to the last ms-62, ms-60, ms-63, ms-64, ms-65, ms-64 and nice C in cent on the 1891 obv 2
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Nice coins......I bow to your wisdom on the Large cents. When it comes to 5 cents and 50 cents..... (my area lolol) PCGS laggs behind ICCS which laggs behind CCCS. ICCS has de-graded (pun intended) the last few years.....due to son grading? Again Awesome coins. For bling in brass/bronze see bosox.....
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ok..
from top to bottom
Year ICCS PCGS
1861 EF 45 AU 58
1944 VF 30 AU 50
1891 MS 60 MS 62
1913 MS 62 MS 64
1894 MS 63 MS 65
1891 MS 62 MS 64
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The 1861 small bud NS cent was graded MS-60 brown by ICCS and MS-63 brown by PCGS. The 1944 NF cent was graded AU-55 by ICCS and MS-63 brown by PCGS. Those two were in old embossed ICCS holders and I bought them because ICCS was so conservative back then and both were under-graded. When I bought them I was thinking MS-63 brown and MS-62 brown for these two.
The 1891 is in an ICCS MS-65 Red holder. The 1913 is in an ICCS MS-66 Red holder. The 1894 is in an ICCS MS-65 Red holder. All are in the newer non-embossed holders. None would cross at PCGS. PCGS wanted to call them all one grade lower.
The final 1891, a "C" with handle variety, was in an old embossed ICCS holder at MS-63 RB. It crossed and now resides in a PCGS MS-63 RB holder.
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wow, I am absolutely surprised...speechless...
I have ICCS graded coins which I would have sworn to be MS64 and 65... absolutely clean.. no faults..None of them made it past 62....
ICCS probably had a bad day....?
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No, they were all graded by ICCS separately.
Having the coins in hand, I would judge the 1891 LDLL as 64 red, the 1913 as 66 red, and the 1894 as 65 RB. Nice coins all. My point is that the pendulum has shifted and PCGS is now much tougher on high grade cents than ICCS.
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