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I found this while roll searching back in September, but I had no way of taking pictures until now. I want to thank the members of this forum for sharing their extensive knowledge of everything numismatic. If it wasn't for them, I would never have known that this existed. The only one I knew about was the 1944 without a mint mark.   From what I learned on this forum, not all of the reverse dies had the whole in the are like this, but this is a definite marker.  So if you have a 1947 nickel that you think may be a counterfeit and it doesn't have the hole in the R, look at the word TRUST on the obverse. There are some casting bubbles in the die that leaves the raised bumps.  Maybe this will help someone else find one. |
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First ....  to the forum. Seems like you must have been hanging around for a while as a lurker .... glad to have you speaking live. Those are great photos ...... and I agree that every diagnostic I know points to this as a Henning counterfeit. Great find ..... tell us how you acquired it. David |
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Nice find. I think I may go check some of my nickels!
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Why would someone bother to counterfeit a nickel?
Seems like it would cost more to make than it was worth.
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New Member
 United States
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Thanks nickelsearcher. I found this while roll searching for a 2009 nickel. I started in May last year, after the first one on E-BAY sold for over $100.00. While searching I was putting aside all pre-1960 nickels that I found. I have been saving all of them that I got in change for about 30 years now. Last summer I stumbled acoss this forum and there was a post about the difinitve test for a Henning counterfeit. I did not know that there were other dates other than the 1944. After reading about them on this forum, I checked mine and found one. I signed up on this forum afer I found it, but since I was unable to post pictures, I just lurked.
I beleive the only way to definatly ID a Henning is through die markers like the bubbles in the word TRUST on the 1947. From what I understand not all of them have the hole in the R.
By the way, I have now searched 106,000 bank rolled nickels and still no 2009
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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He also made counterfeit nickels dated '39, '46-7 and '53 (all in 1954, I believe), and had previously been arrested for counterfeiting $5 bills!
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United States
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Valued Member
United States
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I'm glad someone addressed that question. Thanks for beating me to it L1011. Ratio, it's not just that he made counterfeit nickels, he made a WHOLE LOT of counterfeit nickels! There is a market for these, and they can go for a ..... "pretty penny"!
Steve
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Nice find. I always forget to check my nickels for the henning.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Not trying to  , but what is the legal stance on these coins? Have they just made an exception to the rule regarding these? Or have they just figured there are way too many to deal with? I mean, it is a counterfeit. |
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United States
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you are allowed to own small amounts of counterfits legally.
This 47 counterfit is harder to find than the 44's, so it should go for much more than a 44 would if sold
-XoG
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United States
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It is not illegal to own counterfeit money. It is not illegal to sell counterfeit money, as long as the buyer knows that it is counterfeit. It is only by passing it off as as genuine when selling or spending that any laws are actually broken. So I wonder how many times this nickel has been passed around as genuine in the past 50 years
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Pillar of the Community
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I wonder how many times this nickel has been passed around as genuine in the past 50 years By the looks of it, I'd say twice! LOL! |
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United States
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it's legal to own for the sake of posterity, historical significance. however, I don't think any grading services will grade Hennings. and supposedly they are obligated to turn them over to the secret service. I've never heard of anyone submitting Hennings to be graded and not sure if they would actually be sent to the secret service or just returned to the sender.
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Valued Member
United States
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I'm not sure about the law regarding possession of counterfeit coins, I'm guessing in a case like this, because it's such a small denomination, and you're NOT sitting on 300k of them, it's really low down the list to prosecute, and like was mentioned, as long as you're not trying to pass them you'll probably be OK
Interesting though, on more than one occaision, I've been in a store where a counterfeit BILL was passed, the clerk caught it, approached the person, gave it back to them and made them pay with another (the interesting thing to me was the counterfeit was RETURNED to the person that passed it...lol, I guess they didn't want to bother with the police, not for one bill)
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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when I worked at a bank, if we got what we suspected was a counterfeit bill, we were obligated to keep it, tag it and send it off to the secret service. the person who passed it would be out that money unless it came back as genuine. but it usually would turn out to be counterfeit and the person would lose that money.
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