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1839 Seated Quarter: Thoughts On Grade And Originality?

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Here's a recent purchase of a date you don't see very often. What would you say about grade, originality, and/or potential problems?

1839-Seated-Quarter:--Thoughts-On-Grade-And-Originality?

1839-Seated-Quarter:--Thoughts-On-Grade-And-Originality?
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VF-20 overall IMO; some detail is stronger, some detail is weaker so it averages out. Looks mostly original, but perhaps a patch of old cleaning on the obverse. A few nicks too, but overall pretty nice.
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I agree with VF. I am not sure if the scratches and such would put it into a details grade slab. I would think they are minor enough for a circulated coin of this age.
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with Shadow VF-20.
I don't see any problems that would prohibit it from being slabbed. I am not even sure that it has been cleaned, it may just be circulation scratches as Nod indicated
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I would call it F-15 at best. LIBERTY is fading and there is no face or hair detail on Miss Liberty. Denticles are weak on both sides and the edge reeding is likewise not very distinct. On the reverse the eagle head detail is very weak and I'm bothered by the weak letters in STATES OF and QUAR DOL. It almost looks like these areas are lightly corroded ("environmental damage").

I wanted this date because it seems very scarce and somewhat undervalued. I bid on this example based on small images and the seller's claim of XF grade. If it were a solid VF I'd be satisfied but it doesn't meet that standard IMO. So, back it goes. Another example of why it's good to get a return privilege from your seller!
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 Posted 10/05/2011  02:32 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ricardocody to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
It probably make to f15 but I'm not sure !
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Jaobler, IMO I would grade this F-12 or F-15 for other dates, but these 1839's are often struck really weird and whatnot. I've seen graded VF-XF coins lacking a lot of detail in some of the places you mentioned. No way this is XF though.
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