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Coopertron5000 Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 516 Posts	Posted 09/08/2017 10:43 am I have a few Livonia Solidus, but the legend on two of them are different? From the CR monogram I think they're Carl XI - the obverse legend should read CAROLVS D.G. REX. Although in bad shape the end of the legend appears to read DEOG:REX Any help appreciated. Report this Post to the Staff

january1may Pillar of the Community Russian Federation 5181 Posts	Posted 09/08/2017 2:49 pm Appears to be a known (and common) variety on Riga solidi from 1660-61. (Yes, it's technically an error.) Not sure of the specific details, sorry. Report this Post to the Staff
Coopertron5000 Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 516 Posts	Posted 09/08/2017 6:16 pm Thank you for the clarification, january1may. I'd been struggling to find anything about legend variations. Report this Post to the Staff
Spence Moderator United States 34458 Posts	Posted 09/08/2017 7:34 pm Neat coin @coopertown5000! I haven't seen that variation in inscription before (see my own solidus from 1662 AD Riga below). Despite it not being listed in my Krause, I'm sure @j1m is right--just one of many common variations in the inscriptions. I do note that Livonia was under Swedish Occupation at this time, so perhaps the quality of die preparation suffered a little. It could also be the result of an illiterate die cutter. "If you climb a good tree, you get a push." -----Ghanaian proverb "The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed." -----King Adz Report this Post to the Staff
Coopertron5000 Pillar of the Community United Kingdom 516 Posts	Posted 09/09/2017 3:29 pm I suspect an illiterate die cutter was the problem. I know English coinage around the same time suffered this same issue - just look at the number of spelling errors on Williams III coppers. You mention the quality of production around this time, something I've also noted. Most seen terribly off centre - one example I have the reverse is around 50% off centre and has part of the next coin! Will try and get some photos. Does anybody know how these were produced? The example I have with 2 part coins in the reverse leads me to believe these were hammered into strips of metal and then cut afterwards - a similar method used for the English hammered copper farthings of James I/Charles I. Report this Post to the Staff
paralyse Bedrock of the Community United States 12057 Posts	Posted 09/11/2017 10:31 pm Indeed, they were hammered into metal planchet strips and then either punched out or cut out. Member ANA - EAC - TNA - SSDC - CCT #890 "Most of the things worth doing in the world had been declared impossible before they were done." -- Louis D. Brandeis Report this Post to the Staff
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