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Netherlands
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Hi All, I got stuck with this coin that seems to be a farthing to me and possible is colonial usa or Canadian provinces. Its out of my area and I was wondering if someone recognizes this piece. There were both Scottish, British and United States coins in this lot were I found this beauty. Does anyone happens to recognize this design and reverse text around with motif/beaver? In centre. I just blut out words as I dont know it but recognizes it to be more British or Colonial then any other countries.   |
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Canada
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Pretty sure it is not a Canadian coin.
Don't recognize the plant and crown on Canadian colonial coins.
Perhaps someone with a wider expertise can shed some light on it.
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 United States
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That is an interesting piece @vin. I 'm not finding it in a quick search, but it could be helpful to know the diameter and weight. Any chance you can add this information to the thread? Thx.
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United States
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Yes, the weight and diameter would be quite helpful. I believe that I can make out "BIRMINGHAM" along the right side of the second photo.
Perhaps a Conder token?
Inordinately fascinated by bits of metal with strange markings and figures
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 Netherlands
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Yes sorry,
5.60 grams and 23.7mm
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Pillar of the Community
Netherlands
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Thanks Spence for bringing it up. I have several half penny tokens but in this size Ive not had them before, only smaller types Honob. But perhaps it might be a uncommon type. Thanks Jimmyd for pointing out it is not Canadian.
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United States
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Thx for posting that additional information, although I still don't have an attribution. Here are a couple thoughts: I agree with @hon about the potential for BIRMINGHAM to be in an inscription (the HAM is pretty clear, but it has the right number of letters, and even unclear letters are seemingly the right size to fit this interpretation. Also, you might consider reaching out to the Conder Token Collectors Club here: https://ctcc.info/ If you happen to get something definitive from them, please post it to this thread so that we can all learn. Thx! "If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
-----King Adz
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Australia
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At this stage I would also quote my oft-spoken maxim: "Not everything that is round and made of metal is numismatic". That seems to be the case here. With no "obverse" legend and on the reverse a large central "blob" with a "Birmingham" legend around, it makes me think it might be a button with the loop ground off, rather than a token. I think I can read "Armfield" as the other word opposite "Birmingham", which would fit with a button-maker. Not entirely unlike this example: https://www.batesandhindmarch.com/p...d-26mm-gilt/Don't say "infinitely" when you mean "very"; otherwise, you'll have no word left when you want to talk about something really infinite. - C. S. Lewis
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Netherlands
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Did not though about a button before, because of its size. But there happens to be a Armfields Birmingham button maker.
Thanks for this input! I have not found an exact match but with your information and the small description around , its probably a button indeed.
Nice insights and thanks to you all for the input to solve this puzzle!!
Manufacturers' Names that often appear on British Military, Naval, Sporting and Livery Buttons.
(from Hughes and Lester book)
Allen & Moore, Birmingham. 1855-1870.
Armfield, Edward. (also William.) Armfield & Co. Ltd. Birmingham 1763 to date. (Listed as a button maker from 1783.)
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United States
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Brilliant thinking @sap! That could also explain the seam separating the side with BIRMINGHAM into two halves.
"If you climb a good tree, you get a push."
-----Ghanaian proverb
"The danger we all now face is distinguishing between what is authentic and what is performed."
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