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Valued Member
United States
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Quote: Seems the silver market has been out of whack the last couple of weeks. Is it just me, or is it not following gold? I just checked where they are at, and gold is up $12 and silver down $.25? The gold/silver ratio has been hanging around 53 for the last several weeks. ( http://www.kitco.com/market/) shows the ratio now is 53.1 which is a fairly normal ratio recently. Quote: My problem is that nearly 50% of my funds are in PM's, ... If PM's (mostly silver) were to crash and stay at low prices I would be screwed. 50% seems a little high to me. However, if the rest of your funds were scattered around other hard assets (property, collector cars, etc.) a silver hit would probably not phase you as the other hard assets could be rising at the same time silver is falling. Also, if silver were to fall to the historic lows, the economy would be robust and the value of the silver would be offset by other things like overtime instead of short weeks. Looking 40 years down the road, silver and other hard assets will undoubtedly keep up with inflation whereas the same money parked in a bank would be essentially worthless in 40 years. I have always kept only a minimal amount of money in a bank, only enough for monthly expenses. The rest has always been tied up in some sort of hard assets with PMs only being a tiny fraction. Personally I prefer hard assets that are easy for me to dispose of when I need cash. Basically I use hard assets as a bank wherein I can "withdraw" them any time I need cash and wherein I can "deposit" more hard assets as I get them, usually far below the "bank" value of the assets. Even though I hold PMs as a portable insurance policy, I also view them as assets I can "withdraw" from my "asset bank" when I need cash. And when I have excess cash, I can buy PMs below market and "deposit" them in my asset bank for future withdrawals. Is that always profitable? No. However, if I sell something at say $500 that I paid $700 for and then am able to buy it back at $300, I have lost nothing. In fact, I still have the same asset plus I have $200 in this scenario. Even selling at a loss is sometimes better than not selling at all.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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mmerlinn - Your final point is very important, but confusing. Opportunity cost is an important consideration often overlooked.
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United States
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Quote: mmerlinn - Your final point is very important, but confusing. Opportunity cost is an important consideration often overlooked. That is one of the hardest concepts for anyone to grasp. It took me years before I really understood that I could always make money even when I sold at a loss. And once I was able to grasp the concept, I was able to run circles around my competition in down markets, making lots of money while they were losing their shirts. Anyone can make money in an up market. Very few can make money in a down market. My experience has been that in up markets competitors come out of the woodwork. In down markets most go back into the woodwork. I have been through four major down markets and have seen the same thing happen every time. If you look at the PM market, you see people coming out of the woodwork making lots of money in PMs. The real defining factor will be how many of them can survive when the PMs eventually crash, whether it be now or whether it be in ten years.
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Ill be able to survive if the PM's crash, but dang it would hurt alot. All I know is that I trust PM's more then I trust social security.
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Valued Member
United States
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congrats on the good auction wins!
I'd actually like it if silver dropped some more--- then I could buy more.
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United States
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Quote: Opportunity cost is an important consideration often overlooked. To really know what opportunity costs, one would have to be able to foretell the future. Many things that LOOK like opportunities turn out to either not be as good as we expect or complete disasters. Avoiding the disasters can be seen as an opportunity if wealth is preserved rather than lost due to that particular "opportunity". Each time we decide to invest in any particular investment, we are hoping that we have picked the best place to invest that will give us the best return in the least amount of time. Of course, everything is a compromise of some kind or other so we will never sell an investment at the exact top of the market or buy it at the exact bottom. Not that we need to in order to make a lot of money. A famous but cautions investor once explained his investing philosophy this way, "You can have the 1st 20% of a bull market and the last 20% as well. I'll take the 60% slice out of the middle". 
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Well, silver certainly seems to be dropping today! As of a few minutes ago, it had dropped over $1 to just above $31. I have no idea if this is the bottom for today or whether it will drop further. But I'm thinking it might be time to buy a wee bit more...
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Valued Member
United States
302 Posts |
With gold now breaking out to the downside and 1550 gold a real possibility before Christmas, I think silver will drop below 30 soon. If the ratios hold, silver at 27 is doable now. Time to dig out the powder and get ready.
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I'm with you, Barry and Merlin. It's just a question of time, guys. Might very well have a prime buying opportunity sometime in the next couple of weeks. Have dry powder, will travel. 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Yes it may be the time again. The PM prices are and have been very unpredictable lately. Have to watch and buy on the lows
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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My opinion, and you know what they say about opinions, is that silver should be about $25. Watch Dr. copper for a leading trend.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: My opinion, and you know what they say about opinions, is that silver should be about $25. OK, that is definitely an opinion. What makes you think that silver would be fairly valued at that price and what do you think is holding it above that price?
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Valued Member
United States
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25 would be fine, good to see it finally broke 30 again today. Stronger dollar? I have heard 25 before, I hear it's a tight market so I doubt we see many sudden moves outside of regular repricing.
Edited by everything 12/14/2011 1:35 pm
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Quote:Im startting to get nervous, all night I have been winning way below melt on ebay tonoight. Is there somthing I do not know, is silver expected to drop? Guess other people saw it coming and were smart to not over pay on ebay as silver crashed today. I'm sure they thought you over paid as silver should continue to be sold off like gold now as the economies get worse and people need the money.
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Valued Member
 United States
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Now the question is how far will it go down and how long will it stay there, I'm guessing 27.50 by Friday and it will levelr out till after the holidays, and around late Jan you will see a sharp increse back to about $37. ( I have nothing to back this up just a guess so dont drill me about it lol ).
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