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I tried to have the credit given to you as the first poster but it was not published. Will try again in the next twoonie review of the catalog.
Not sure yet, but I intend to attend the next Boucherville show. We could sit together to laugh at my attempts to speak French (not that my English is any better ...)
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If anyone is still keeping score I have seen 3 more 16's and one 14. I was given a toonie as a tip and it was the 14 serrations type so I threw it on ebay to see what happens. Also see them listed in the new Charlton with pictures.
Edited by Bm0ney 10/02/2012 6:53 pm
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Yes Bm0ney, I'm still collecting datas, though I didn't receive much lately. I will keep updating once in a while, when there'll be a more significant amount of stats posted. Don't be shy, share your datas if you have any!  By the way, Regitko mentioned this 14 serration variety in the latest CCN for the 1st time. His guess is that there would be about 10%, maybe even 5% of 14 serration out there, rather than the approximative 15% our numbers show so far. @ t_y, I appreciate the effort about giving me the credit for this discovery, but in fact I'm not the one who actually "discovered" it. I may have been the 1st to investigate, but that's all the credit I can get out of it!  Hope too we can meet in the future, I promise I won't laugh at your french. 
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Latest update: -normal serration (16 denticles): 674/810 (83%) -short serration (14 denticles): 136/810 (17%)
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Both serration types are now listed in CCN Trends.
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Thank you for the info SPP-Ottawa! I went across that last CCN too fast, didn't even checked the Trend!  Here's one interesting thing about the datas we've collected so far. 75% of these datas come from Numicanada, which is as you know a french speaking forum, and whose members are mostly living in the province of Quebec. Numicanada contributors have so far reported 20% of 14 serration and 80% of 16 serration. Here on the CCF forum, I assume that most contributors of the Canadian forums, at least those who were able to share some datas, come from the english provinces of Canada. And so far on CCF, contributors have reported 8% of 14 serration and 92% of 16 serration. That 8% reaches Regitko's comment in CCN, who's expecting a 5-10% of 14 serration. So it seems like a large part of the 14 serration were distributed in the province of Quebec, and I think that since most of our datas come from that area, it may give the impression the 14 serration is a little more common than it really is Canada-wide.
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Interest on the twoonie, willingness to report and frequency of a variety are different variables that cannot be mixed up in the conclusion of frequency. Also, the small number of coins you report is far from significative to the population of 2010 twoonies. Another problem with your data is the collection of the sample, spread through a large period of time and limited geographically.
The number of coins can be calculated from knowledge of the production process, including: life of the third die, speed of the press and probability of the inspection capturing the mistake. I made a few inquires and still don't have all replies to assure a percentage. As mentioned to Sean Isaacs, I believe the 14 serrations is the most scarce of all twoonies, but it IS FAR FROM BEING RARE (caps for emphasis, I hate when people use the term "rare" for something you can find in the pocket change).
I am sure that the variety was produced during more than a few weeks, based on the reports of geographic findings I received. I am also sure that only one press was equipped with the 14 serrations collar - I bought coins from different provinces to check particular die markers (including from you).
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I totally understand your point ty.
But do you think the Mint is going to share these informations like that? And even if they do, it doesn't mean these informations are 100% reliable.
Remember the 25¢ 2009 coloured men's hockey? The Mint maintained for weeks that the engraved 2 was the scarcer of both, while collectors' datas were clearly showing the opposite. And finally the collectors ended up being right.
May I also recall those precious metal that were "lost", and magically recovered after months to the precise ounce? Just another event that showed the Mint can make mistakes and lose track of some numbers.
My point is that "official" information is always welcome, and most of times very useful, but the numismatists' experience cannot be tossed away. And of course, the more collectors are willing to share, the bigger our sample is gonna be. I would love to gather a lot more datas, but I cannot force anyone to share, nor invent datas.
The way we collect datas ain't perfect, I'm totally aware of that, but isn't it better than nothing? Again, regarding that 2009 hockey quarter, the datas reported by collectors were more accurate than the numbers given by the mint, and published by CCN.
When you say "spread through a large period of time", I disagree. It's not been a year since we discovered that variety, and since the new generation is out, the recycling of older 2$ has started. If we haven't collect datas right away, at least to give us an idea of what's out there, wouldn't we be even more in the dark?
That said, I totally share your opinion about the term "rare", which I also believe is over used. Though that 14 serration is hard to find for some people, it doesn't make it "rare".
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 thanks SPP for the pic
Edited by t_y 10/31/2012 10:49 am
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In this case, the holder is as important as the coin (for the time being)...
"Discovery follows discovery, each both raising and answering questions, each ending a long search, and each providing the new instruments for a new search." -- J. Robert OppenheimerContent of this post is licensed under a Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial 3.0 Unported License. See: http://creativecommons.org/licenses...0/deed.en_USMy eBay store
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yes, it is the first coin with the variety certified by ICCS.
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Resurrecting this old thread... Found a 2010 toonie with 14 serrations today from Starbucks change....AU50
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