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@LuckyCuss .... IMHO, your R-3 Watertown CWT is better than mediocre, an XF. It simply needs a bath in acetone or a gentle swabbing with Coin Care. Conservation will preserve the condition, removing contaminants surrounding the letters.
Discouraged? Having owned many beautiful AND downright ugly pieces of exonumia over the last sixty years, I've long accepted that condition isn't an end-all. I love the history, the mystery, the hunt! Hardly a week goes by that I don't snag a great buy or two.
Edited by ExoGuy 07/30/2019 7:22 pm
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Very nice! 
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@ExoGuy, Thank you for the Welcome and the reply. I'm truely sorry for the late reply (long hours). Concerning the Atlantic City Token, not sure what you mean by the "overall fabric"? I even searched in the "Rulau US Token book 1700 - 1900" with zero results. So you may be correct. I'll try my luck posting in the identification forum. Maybe someone has seen this one somewhere. Thank you again.
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@Steve ... Thanks for the kindly reply. By "overall fabric" I mean that the token's style, its appearance, is far more similar to mid twentieth century trade tokens. The very name, Riviera, conjures up images of a Mediterranean resort and casino. These images date to the mid-nineteenth century.
There was a Riviera Hotel in Atlantic City (this post amended!).
Edited by ExoGuy 07/31/2019 10:52 am
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@ExoGuy, thank you for the video. The one mentioned is in Vegas and does have a different spelling. I suppose the spelling on the token could be wrong, I have searched for the token with both spellings. I have considered contacting the establishments in Atlantic City to see the possibilities. I did contact the Chamber there and they hadn't heard of any with the spelling on the token. My search continues...
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Edited by ExoGuy 07/31/2019 10:50 am
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@ExoGuy concerning the Reviera Restaurant token finally received some verified information from user "IdahoTokens" on Tokencatalog.com. As you stated, not a Civil War Token but is from the approximate dates of 1929-1930. "NJ tokens were cataloged serially in the Journal of the Token and Medal Society many years ago, but it is probable that this one was not listed then. The Reviera Italian Restaurant is listed in both the 1929 & 30 Atlantic City City Directories as being at 2309 Atlantic Avenue. The 1930 CD shows Gene Davis as proprietor" My search is complete. Thanks everyone for the help!   
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Congrats on pegging it, Steve!
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I just purchased an Civil War OH165AW-10a Charles Flach Provisions Dealer in Cincinnati, Ohio store card, choice UNC RB. I always check the NCG census before purchasing tokens to see how many they have graded. To my surprise, there haven't been ANY of this specific token graded. Although the US Civil War Store Cards book shows it as an R7, I'm thinking that it's a rarer variety than that, and is underrated...
What do you guys think?
Edited by Dave H 04/09/2020 6:24 pm
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Edited by Wizardnyc 04/09/2020 6:57 pm
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@DaveH .... pics would be nice. A great many CWT's have been overrated, and this variety could have been. I had a CWT rated R-6 although maybe six pieces are known. As it boasted a rare reverse die, it realized two grand at auction. In this case, the rarity of the die, as opposed to the variety, made a huge difference in value. Given that there are at least ten varieties of the OH165-AW, and Cincinnati being the most common Ohio city/town, I doubt that rarity is much of a factor for this piece. The value is more so vested in the condition, RB UNC.
Summarily, unless one has a rare town, rare merchant or rare die, the rarity of a sub-variety will likely take a back seat to the condition of a piece. This has to do with the overall manner by which meaningful collections are formed .... foremost by state, city/town, merchant, occupation, die, engraver, etc. It's a rare collecting "bird" who attempts to acquire all the varieties produced by a relatively common merchant.
@Wizardnyc .... Your Monitor CWT's have most pleasing eye-appeal. Great start on a collection .... Well done!
Edited by ExoGuy 04/09/2020 8:49 pm
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Two John Thornley Hard Rubber tokens I recently acquired. Black and Brown.  
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@dar76124 .... That's a cool pair of vulcanite tokens and in top grade, too. IMHO, they're slab-worthy, and that would protect their great surfaces. Although not CWT's, the fact that they're so well executed and display a masonic symbol undoubtedly adds to their appeal. Philly sure boasts a huge variety of early tokens.
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@Exoguy. Thanks for the response. I'm thinking of having them slabbed. Maybe when it's safe to go to the Post Office. :)
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Quote: Maybe when it's safe to go to the Post Office. :)  I just returned home from the PO, having fetched a cool token that arrived in today's mail. I'm not chuckling about the virus, mind you, just the coincidence. I once owned a vulcanite sutler token that got quite marred over the past 150 years. This is why I feel strongly about slabbing this composition; especially so, such high grade pieces as these Philly ones appear.
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