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Long Term Value Of RCM Coins

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 Posted 08/17/2014  7:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add NuMoosematist to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Pacificoin, it's very sad to see the hobby being destroyed by the thoughtless fools in charge at the mint.

They should be ashamed of themselves.
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 Posted 08/17/2014  7:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Silveroid to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Looks like, whoever not able to sell RCM coins will be unhappy with them.

Why not just to resell, lets say 5 0f 2007 Crystal snowflakes, 2007 Birthday sets, 2008 Wedding sets, 2011 Lady bags, 2012 Farewell to Penny sets, 2013 Gold Supermans and 2014 Gold Supermans ...
and be happy that RCM exists and pumps new coin every day.
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 Posted 08/17/2014  10:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add R4mn33k to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well for most coins it seems like long term value will approach spot price of silver
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 Posted 08/22/2014  1:16 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The Ladybug coin to me confirms what I have thought:

IF someone is going to profit from coins, its going to be awfully hard because there are not that many coins that are worth buying and holding if you are looking to make money from an increase in value.

The Ladybug coin tho, does show it is possible, as higher prices, at the early stages, led to even much higher prices. But this is one coin out of how many that does that....

So the formula is- look for the sells out, follow their demand on ebay and stick to those that run higher.

Its amazing how many coins are doing nothing tho and are falling in price constantly.
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 Posted 08/25/2014  10:58 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have another thought on this-

this is for those wanting to speculate on coins... it seems to me that when the RCM commissions a coin, and it sells out, but then it turns out the sell occurred because say a US dealer (think ala silvertowne) has the vast majority of the coins, thats probably going to be a good coin to stay away from in the long run as demand was artificially created....
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 Posted 01/11/2016  06:52 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pocket change 50 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is an excellent thread started in 2012. Many long time collectors offer some very insightful comments. Especially Commens, SPP, and many others. They have made comments going back to how things were forty years ago. Some great comparisons and food for thought. It really puts the hobby in perspective without being negative. We all forget about what inflation does to savings. So any gain would need to be within 5 yrs, as inflation erodes it. A nice example was the 1948 dollar. In another thread it was advised against giving more than a $25 premium for a very nice 1k 1954 note. Stating inflation would make it equal to 9k in today's money. It really brought it home for me. There's no way someone will pay that for the note. So the poor guy that turned it into the bank, really got hit hard by inflation. It is a beautiful piece, so holding it for 10 yrs would eat a chunk out of it!

I thought our newer members would benefit from reading this thread. I know I have gained some wisdom.
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 Posted 01/11/2016  10:21 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add john100 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This hobby is really not an good investment tool sometimes you get lucky but that's all, there is a story of this old time dealer at many of the Toronto area shows he about late 80 now he apparently was smart enough to get many rolls of the 48 dollar when they came out and slowly fed them into the market place throughout the years. The best example and good reading is the Newman collection in the US, self taught collector who only bought the best US coins and some foreign that was and is been auctioned off but quite a story, 50.00 coins that auctioned for over 100,000.00 just an amazing collection kind of moral of story out of 70 million population at the time there is a very smart occasional collector who does it right. enjoy the hobby, most us will lose value when it's time to dispose.
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 Posted 01/11/2016  11:41 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add wildflowerAB to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Collecting NCLT is not an investment and never will be.......it's a hobby that involves spending money. How it came to be that some people think they can buy attractive but mass manufactured objects from RCM at full retail price and resell at a profit within a relatively short period of time is a mystery to me.

As far as declining values, I doubt that many people track how much they've paid in green fees in 2009 or how much a winter vacation cost in 2012 and then become aggravated when they notice a deal in 2015 that's cheaper. Yet by virtue of having that NCLT still in their hand it's easy to happen. I think it's wise to remember why they bought it in the first place, assuming it was for the right reason, and unlike many other things, appreciate the fact that it does not become broken, wore out or obsolete.
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 Posted 01/12/2016  8:11 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add yup7676 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I think NCLT would be a good investment IF you bought coins that only showed consistent appreciation and bucked the price dropping trend in the secondary market. Those are our leaders.

However, for the RCM, and other mints around the world, they put out very few coins that are leading coins and that appreciate in the secondary market.

Furthermore, many coins that appreciate in the secondary market, do not appeal to me. However, if someone was going to do it, that would be the way to bank coin on NCLT.

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@ Yup, it would be a very interesting, varied and small collection, even if world coins were used. Any examples of coins that could be in such a collection. The positive it would be easy on the pocket book for sure. Also to profit a person needs to buy close to issue.

I think wanting coins that appreciate is most closely tied to the advent of ebay. Now anyone can be a small dealer. j think ebay has changed the thinking pattern of collectors. Prior to ebay, you took a coin to a dealer and got back 50% of issue hopefully. I doubt collectors gave much thought to resale value, like we do today, with access to many markets. It shows how collectors and markets are evolving as the age of collector changes too.
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 Posted 01/13/2016  12:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canadian_coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I agree with pocket change 50. ebay changed everything.

Without ebay I would have had to settle for much less when I decided to sell off. This also applies to regular coins.

I think people have a better shot at selling on ebay than any dealer. IMO.

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Yeah will ebay anyone can sell. I bought all my circulation coins and about 60 % of my nclt coins on ebay. Only had 2 circulation coins go missing. The envelopes arrived with a tear. I was lucky they were cheap, it was during my first month of buying too.

I wonder if dealers noticed less coins coming in, as owners were doing their own selling. How has ebay changed the collecting world.
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 Posted 01/13/2016  5:28 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add pocket change 50 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yup brought up an interesting question in another thread. Is the RCM minting coins with themes that appeal to no one? The example was the tradition of hunting seals. I remember as a kid the uproar the yearly seal hunts made on TV.
Is this why some coins end up selling way below issue, as few people can relate to what is depicted. I know very few war themed coins appeal to me. The exception war of 1812 and the Poppy themed coins were winners for me. The other war themed coins just fall flat for me. Same with sport themed coins, I don't even look at them.
So what is your opinion, does a theme make or kill a coin?
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 Posted 01/16/2016  10:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add canadian_coins to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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I bought all my circulation coins and about 60 % of my nclt coins on ebay.


I cannot blame you! I sold 100% of my coins on ebay...

I also bought some on ebay. But.... there is a risk. The coin may look different in hand than on the picture. Copper is particularly tricky due to the hues and camera settings.

That's where NCLT have an advantage I think. In terms of what you can expect.

In the end you need to have a trusted seller.
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