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 Posted 05/12/2012  11:51 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add larsdog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Thanks, guys. The great thing is that this is actually a coin I need! I generally only collect uncirculated and proof sets after 1958, and only small cents before 1959, but there are a few varieties I want to collect as well outside of mint sets. I haven't figured out yet what all I want to include, but I do know Cu-Ni clad Var 1 and Var 2 of the bicentennial Ikes are included. This will be a GREAT start to my supplemental collection and I will have a great story to go along with it!
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 Posted 05/12/2012  11:57 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add larsdog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The next code to break would be the code that determines what is a "quality" post. My previous post didn't alter my number of posts. I assumed that a post of less than a fixed number of characters wouldn't count and perhaps a post on a topic where you were already the last poster. Could there also be a number of posts per topic that count, or number of posts per topic per day? Hmm...
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 Posted 05/13/2012  12:29 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Moe145 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Once again excellent job Larsdog! And actually really good at deciphering most of my, at times, obscure, hints!!


1. CJJ III - all I can figure is that CJJ is a clue that the code gets weird around the letters C and J and that the letters are intended to represent the roman numeral 3.

Actually CJJ III refers to Curtis James Jackson III. I'll let you all figure out who he is and why he is a hint.

2. '25 quarter - there are 25 characters in the code.

Exactly! Since I had to grid the alphabet and since there are 26 letters in the alphabet and only 25 in a square grid, some letter is either left out or shared with another.

3. There are myths that have/are circulated/circulating concerning this person... - I didn't know if this referred to old Benjamin himself or the '48 to '63 half dollars!

This was mainly about his flying a kite in a storm. Kind of a throw-away hint. (i.e., not much help!!)

4. the arm = the leg - simply that the length of the word is all that's important.

Exactly! Nice! It's tough for us to see letters, or worse words, as something besides letters or words. That's what helps make this a code!!

5. One arm = six abs - this one was tricky until you realize one and six are both THREE letters, so in this case one = six. Both sides equate to 3,3.

Exactly. The number of letters is the important thing.

6. Some research into the Achived Contests from Moe145 may give you enormous insight into the rather limited intellectual bag of tricks that devised this code. - I must admit that I ignored this clue.

I thought this was a sure-fire way for someone to get this code solved right away!

7. UFC '36 - This one really threw me off track. I was convinced that the quote was from "When Worlds Collide" and there were several quotes about "Money to Burn" and time is more valuable than money, etc. I spent a lot of time chasing this rabbit down the wrong hole. Even now that I know the answer I can't fathom what it has to do with anything!

I originally was going to have this hint read UFC, 1736. When you google this, it takes you right to the Union Fire Company (The Bucket Brigade) founded in 1736 by, you guessed it, Benjamin Franklin. So I shortened the date to '36 to make you all guess more.


7 (there were 2 hint 7 Ooops! Not done on purpose. I was just too lazy to keep accurate track of my hints!!). chest=%$#@! - the letters don't matter - just the number of characters.

Exactly!

8. Ok, what if I tell you, 2,2 = G? This gave a BIG clue as to the code. I did row/column, steve did column/row, but obviously 2,2 is the letter G. But how to determine the numbers? I still didn't know it was the number of letters in the words. I was still looking for a "trigger" letter.

Exactly!

9. Ok. Try this! - The 5 x 5 grid of Indian cents made it clear that 2,2 (above) referred to row 2, column 2 (or the other way around) of a 5x5 table.

True. But, if you look at the C position, there's an extra coin, showing two letters (coins) in one square. That tells you which first letter is duplicated.

10. 3,2 = H - that tells us the letters are in alpha order and A to H are sequential. The missing letter is to be determined.

True.

11. If 2,2 = G, and 3,2 = H, whatever could I be? And why did I replay Hint #2 in Hint #9 (i.e., what is similiar and what is different in the two hints? And since Hint #9 has more information than Hint #2, what was added, and what could it mean?) - this reinforces the notion that the table is in alpha order and we now know it's intact through letter I. Hint 2 told was there were 25 characters. Hint 9 told use they are places in a 5x5 grid.

Yes!


12. This quote is 9 words long. - This one threw me for a loop since there were 11 lines in the coded message. But then I realized the first two, or more likely the last two, were the name of the person quoted.

Nice! I hoped that's what this clue would lead you towards!

13. What if this 5 x 5 grid had letters in them? - This verifies that there are letters in the grid, but how to determine the grid coordinates.

Yes!

14. Letters are not used as letters. Words mean nothing. Only space matters. - This solved the puzzle,almost. The number of letters in the first word was the first part of the grid coordinate and the number of letters in the second word was the second part of the grid coordinate to determine an uncoded letter. It took 2 words to make 1 letter. Easy enough, but the first line translates as GEMIUS with the Q missing and GEMITR with the Z missing. Obviously something is amiss. I tried the last two lines hoping to figure out the author. I got BENJALIM for a first name and it seemed like it HAD to be BENJAMIN. Then I saw that Steve left out the K. Why did he leave out the K? The code had to be good through J and it was broken at L, so K it was. Everything was perfect until line 5. I got "LICE" because 3,1 - C. Did the code author mean 1,3? That would be K. Then I thought 1,3 was K or L and there was an error in the coded message but decided it made just as much sense to have C and K share a spot.

Exactly! Since two letters had to share, C & K work the best (for me anyway!) It's just unfortunate that the quote I chose had to have a K in it! I really didn't want a K but I had already enciphered the code halfway when I realized that and was too lazy to find another quote. Plus I didn't want a very long quote either.

And when I saw you had won, your Quality Posts showed 54 so you were legal. Now it's showing 51.
But still legal!!

Congratulations on a well-deserved win

and

to the Forum!!
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05/13/2012 12:33 am
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 Posted 05/13/2012  12:31 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add svslav to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Lars, excellent job solving the mystery!

I'll help you with the other one that seems to preoccupy/bother you. Posts in non-numismatic forums like this one don't count, no matter how long or how much brain power they require.
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 Posted 05/13/2012  01:22 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add juzzyb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I looked back at the archived posts and all I got was the grid. Oh well ill try again next time.
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 Posted 05/13/2012  01:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add juzzyb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Just went and googled curtis james jackson 3 nice obscure hint
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 Posted 05/13/2012  01:28 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add larsdog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Actually CJJ III refers to Curtis James Jackson III

OK, 50 cent - the Franklin half - I get it!


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This was mainly about his flying a kite in a storm.

You mean that's a myth?!? I want a refund on my public education!


Quote:
I originally was going to have this hint read UFC, 1736.

That MIGHT have helped a tiny bit, but Google UFC 36 and see where THAT rabbit hole leads!


Quote:
True. But, if you look at the C position, there's an extra coin, showing two letters (coins) in one square. That tells you which first letter is duplicated.

That's true if you use column/row coordinates, but unfortunately for me I was using row/column. What you call the "C" position I had as the "K" or "L" position. Initially I tried to solve the puzzle by saying that 3,1 was K or L and 3,2 was L or M - PLUS there was a mistake in the code that 3,1 should have been 1,3 in one instance. I knew I was VERY close but a few details didn't add up. It never occurred to me that Steve's grid and your hint #9 would provide the answer. It's obvious now, of course!

Well done!
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 Posted 05/13/2012  01:37 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add larsdog to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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And when I saw you had won, your Quality Posts showed 54 so you were legal. Now it's showing 51.


Apparently the quality of my posts is declining faster than the price of silver!
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 Posted 05/13/2012  07:08 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add juzzyb to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Be interesting to know just what a quality post is
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 Posted 05/13/2012  10:55 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stevex6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
juzzyb => you don't get any posting-credit for any of the sub-folders within "Coin Community Family Stuff" (which includes the ever-popular Contests, Quiz & Giveaway threads) ...... plus, you don't get posting-credit for "General Discussion" which is a sub-folder in The General Numismatic Discussion Forums (NOTE => home to the greatest thread of all-time => "The Never-Ending Story")

... but I'm pretty sure that you get posting-credit everywhere else, because the topics are all money/coin-related

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 Posted 05/13/2012  6:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TNG to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Congrats to Lars and thanks for the contest Moe.
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 Posted 05/13/2012  8:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stevex6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply


Lars => Outstanding entrance to the CCF Forum!!

Moe => thanks for the contest!! (good effort)

... man, it feels kinda good to take the ol' brain out for an occasional walk around the block!!

TheNickelGuy => as always, it is amusing when you are involved in the thread (well played!!)

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 Posted 05/14/2012  11:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add jbuck to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Posts in certain forums do not increase your post count. The contest forum is one of them.
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 Posted 05/14/2012  2:53 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Moe145 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

Quote:
Posts in certain forums do not increase your post count. The contest forum is one of them.


But it sure is fun!
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 Posted 05/14/2012  3:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CoinsKelly to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Urf - I missed it - life got in the way! Yeah larsdog! And as far as I am concerned, you posts are all QUALITY!
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