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Valued Member
United States
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You know, these kinds of experiences do feel a little insulting, but really they shouldn't be because the guy is an idiot businessman for doing that - I mean honestly what a dumb thing to do on his part. I've dealt with the "you're too young for this" line in several different situations in life, and one day I finally found my place to get revenge for those insulting remarks. That place would be poker ...
In poker, if people disrespect and incorrectly judge me, because I am "some young kid" (or some other superficial characteristic), they end up giving me their money. And I will tell you it happens a LOT. It's one of the reasons I've pursued poker for so long... it is a brutal, I mean unbelievably brutal game at times, but it feels so good to literally take money away from the dumb irritating idiots like this guy.
Also, on that note I'm glad you did not reveal to him the amount of money you had as a means of throwing it in his face. Let him sink like the fool that he is.
The proper response by the dealer would to have been to request parental permission or something, which would be reasonable. But doing what he did he lost a customer.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1302 Posts |
Frankly, I would not have sold a 15 or a 17 year old kid a $3,100 coin. I especially wouldn't show it to a grubby, greasy teenager. I think your age and your attitude display the kind of immaturity that illustrate the point that it would be irresponsible for a seller to take that kind of money from a teenager- even if he was giving him something of relatively equal value.
the right way to approach the situation, if it was me, and you came into my shop... would be to ask you to come back with your parent, and then I'd be happy to show both of you any of the coins you are interested in. I'd want to make sure that you knew what you were buying because that's a significant amount of money. I know some reputable big time dealers that don't even want to sell coins to new clients- but first want to make sure they have the education necessary to make sound decisions- these guys deal in big time coins, too.... so their philosophy works to a point.
People don't look like they crawled out of the alleys and buy Porsches.... remember that.
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Valued Member
United States
227 Posts |
It probably wouldn't be a "responsible thing to do" for the dealer to sell a $3K+ coin to him just like that, but the commentary was still inappropriate. I can understand the dealer having problems with the OP's appearance or age. But, if he was unhappy with the grease/oil, he should have simply asked him to clean up and come back. If he had a problem with the age factor then he should ask for parental permission (in person) like you said. Admittedly though, to show respect to the coin dealer you should be clean when you come in. One reason it is insulting for people to say things like this is that some kids (and sounds like the OP is one of these) work hard at a young age because they are determined to do something valuable with their time, or they just want to save up some money. I was the same - I started caddying at a private golf course when I was 11 turning 12 years old (it took a lot of persuasion to get them to hire me) and saved up money to buy things for myself. If I wanted to buy coins when I was 16 and someone laughed at me and told me I couldn't afford it, it would make me really angry too. Caddying at the age of 12 was very difficult and I often got laughed at and ridiculed by basically everyone. If after all that someone laughed at me when I went to spend that hard-earned money, I would probably be    too....
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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I'm also a youth (14 years old) and I have been laughed at when I ask to buy $40 coins... I've been told that I can't afford them  ... Even when clean, people don't think that youth have any money at all!  Why the stereotype that all youth are poor? 
Edited by Windchild 06/07/2012 10:41 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1302 Posts |
I'm just telling him how it is. Earn respect from people. don't expect it.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
4944 Posts |
Quote: the right way to approach the situation, if it was me, and you came into my shop... would be to ask you to come back with your parent, and then I'd be happy to show both of you any of the coins you are interested in. I'd want to make sure that you knew what you were buying because that's a significant amount of money. 
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Quote: dude I'm 17 now but ill check em out Did you call the dealer a dude? I know a lot of adults don't like that.
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Pillar of the Community
Australia
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Quote: I walk in the shop with greese and oil on my face still smelling like diesel and ask the older man there if he had some gold? he said he thinks so and pointed me to a case that had some gold eagles and maples. I asked if he had any double eagles and he had one and I asked if he could show it to me. he said son I dont you could afford it
I don't think it had much to do with your age at all. If someone walks into a coin shop late in the day filthy and dressed like a ragamuffin and wants to see the gold, I imagine that this would have instantly put the red flags up for the dealer regardless of how old the customer is. I am amazed you didn't end up looking at the nasty end of a .357. These guys are frequently robbed and bashed/shot by people of all ages, So I can just imagine what was going through the dealers mind when you asked to see the gold
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1348 Posts |
If I walk into Walmart in rags and slime on me, grab 50" plasma and walk to the checkout with cash they wouldn't ask a question. Its a business, but I do understand that maybe the dealer was sceptical. Coin collection in high values in usually done by older people, but with young folks now a days they are turning in into a profitable hobby.
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Valued Member
United States
344 Posts |
Quote: man that would be one funny phone call to my parents sir we have your son at the police station and he had an unusual amount of cash on him I'm not really afraid of them thinking its drug money around here just that if I went to jail I probably be mugged by the police for evidence Probably true in this day and age.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
20753 Posts |
Quote: I'm also a youth (14 years old) and I have been laughed at when I ask to buy $40 coins... I've been told that I can't afford them ... Even when clean, people don't think that youth have any money at all! Why the stereotype that all youth are poor?
WHY? Stop and think. Our news media does a real number on age. So does the Insurance companies. For example Insurance companies charge more for under certain ages due to statistics showing under those ages more and more accidents happen. Kids while still learning how to drive are constantly seen texting or talking on cell phones while driving. AND those do cause more accidents. As to the News Media, they spend a lot of time showing that crime is a constant among kids. And not just the teenagers, but almost anywhere from 10 to 30. On the streets of Chicago, crime is reported to be about 80% in those age brakets. You really don't see a lot of people 50 to 90 out doing drive by shootings. Normally they don't rob stores, rape women, blow up places. Also, you don't see many 70 year olds driving drunk to often. Ever hear of a 60 or 70 year old robbing cars for joy riding? The news media has a habit of mentioning the ages of criminals and it's the young that get the fame for that. And why the stereotype that all youth are poor. Not really it's just that most kids are not poor, they just mostly live on money from their parents. And so many get money dishonestly, that too makes older people leary of youth. Put yourself in the place of older people and then look out at the world.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
1411 Posts |
Look at the price I said; $40...
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Pillar of the Community
United States
1391 Posts |
Re-read the post. Especially this line: "Put yourself in the place of older people and then look out at the world." To most older people $40 is a lot of money. That is because they are remembering when you could work a month and barely save up $40. It wasn't that long ago and I suspect that a sizable portion of the members remember when that was the case. I remember when my dad work his rear off for a couple hundred a month. And that was a good wage at the time. I am not that old either.
As much as anything I find that when there is an age gap people usually do not hit it off until they get to know each other. A lot of times (and I mean a LOT) both parties will think they are being respectful but they come off as being disrespectful to each other. It is even with little things. Sometimes I have problems understanding the humor from people of my grandparents generation. You can add to the list a hundred other things.
I can think of half a dozen things you did wrong. Probably going in with all the grease is a big thing. I know people who are grease monkeys in their 50's and 60's. While on the job you can be covered in grease from head to toe. If you are going some where else, the park, church, the grocery store, what ever, you put on nicer cloths to fit the occasion. Now church cloths will be nicer than shopping cloths, and shopping cloths will be nicer than picnic cloths but you get the idea.
Here is the thing. You are no longer an child so you have to learn to navigate all these waters. A lot of times it helps to bring someone older along to observe how they interact, as they are probably already familiar with a lot of these things.
Just remember, you may own a coin store someday and come in to work after fixing up your car with a white t-shirt and jeans with some huge oil stains. A well dressed younger kid may come in and just wonder what you are about, as fashions and trends have changed and "old" people just don't know have to make a good presentation.
A good dose of the benefit of the doubt is always a good thing when not interacting with your peers.
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Valued Member
United States
227 Posts |
Quote: I'm just telling him how it is. Earn respect from people. don't expect it.
I agree that respect should be earned but that doesn't justify disrespect until it has. In this case, the OP walking in dirty was probably slightly disrespectful to the dealer so I can see why the dealer responded negatively, but what he said was still condescending and does not show maturity or professionalism. This should go both ways regardless of age too, which is one of my points. Adults sometimes act like they're better simply because of their age and therefore should get more respect. Simultaneously they will look down on kids they don't even know as if they're all immature, stupid and incapable ... they sometimes disrespect them right away, like the OP and I have experienced as well as the other guy a few posts up. It ends up being a one way street. I had a lot of experiences like that when caddying at a young age despite working really hard and being incredibly respectful and polite to the members. I know this attitude for a fact and have seen it enough to know where its coming from. As with everything in life, of course this isn't true for everyone. Ultimately my belief is that you shouldn't judge anyone at all until you really know them. You'll get a lot of respect from me if you do that because its really not that common to see.
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Pillar of the Community
Canada
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Quote: Adults sometimes act like they're better simply because of their age and therefore should get more respect. Simultaneously they will look down on kids they don't even know as if they're all immature, stupid and incapable ... they sometimes disrespect them right away...  It's always funny when I tell adults that look at me like I am stupid that I could read Harry Potter in grade 2 and am easily in the top 0.01 percent in math and science.
Edited by Windchild 06/08/2012 7:01 pm
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