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 Posted 06/11/2012  4:12 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add biokemist6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
As far as collecting sales prices to publish values in the RedBook, the majority of data comes from aggregated dealer sales. ebay has to be ignored for the most part because it is a flawed marketplace with the vast majority of coins sold by amateurs and not professional dealers. That may sound like an elitist statement but it really is not. Many variables affect the sales price on Ebay- the seller's reputation, quality of the photos, auction list indexing, shipping costs and location restrictions, etc. You could give the same coin to two different ebay sellers and the final prices could have a difference of 25-50% when all of the variables are factored in. Give that same coin to two professional coin dealers and the sales prices will be fairly close in many cases.

Then you also have an issue with the flood of problem coins on ebay, how would you take them into account when publishing pricing data? Yes, dealers also sell problem coins too but the problem coins that dealers do not touch with a ten foot pole typically end up in places like ebay where the coin might be doctored and the images photoshopped all in the name of getting higher bids.
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 Posted 06/11/2012  6:04 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Blah I guess this will never be truely fixed. If it does, if a book comes out every year with average auction prices and suchi would buy it in a heart beat

Here is an idea. Instead of questioning this forum about a book published by Whitman, contact them. Make a list of your concerns and send to them. Regardless of page numbering, coin prices, types of cover pages, size of print or almost anything, send to Whitman Publishing. Send to Dennis Tucker, Publisher, Whitman Publishing. Most would say yeah, right, dumb. Gets you no where. Oddly enough they do listen and attempt to correct problems. And they do reply to most normal ideas and suggestions. I know since I've done that many, many times. And as a sort of reward I've been sent books on coins for free due to my attempts to help make it a better book. Try it. You can use the internet so it will not even cost you a postage stamp, only your time.
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 Posted 06/11/2012  7:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Penny Guy to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The expectation that Whitman Publishing, or anyone else for that matter, publish an accurate pricing guide for coins is doomed to failure. Many posters here have explained the complexities and variables involved but that informaton seems to be rejected.

I'd recommmend the OP take his idea and bring it to market. The only issue I see is getting the collecting community to adhear to his price guide. As soon as the mandatory price guide for coins hits the market, I like the sequel in the series to address pricing on automobiles.
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 Posted 06/12/2012  08:45 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add just carl to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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As soon as the mandatory price guide for coins hits the market, I like the sequel in the series to address pricing on automobiles.

There really could never be a steady, constant price Guide for coins. Only some of the reasons are there never was a manufacturers suggested list price to start with. Only what is stated on the ooin itself. And with coins there are numerous variables such as varieies to attempt to almost guess. Then too the market for coins changes due to popularity, the weather, the job market, availability and many more variables. In every Price Guide all prices listed are really just Guides to what a coin could, should, might, would sell for, maybe.
For the auto industry, there is a sort of standard for old cars that insurance companies go by. It's the auto Blue Book. Regardless of who says what, if a car is totaled, they give you that and that is that. You could say BUT it's got hardly any miles on it. To bad, you get blue book prices.
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