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 Posted 05/29/2005  4:08 pm Show Profile   Bookmark this topic Add Ætheling to your friends list Get a Link to this Message Number of Subscribers
A British section swiftly arrived, wherever I go they tend to follow.

So does anyone collect British coins?
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 Posted 05/29/2005  4:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Susanlynn9 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Still watching, reading, and learning about the hammered silver pieces. I still haven't purchased any, but I saw some really nice ones at the GSNA Coin Show in NJ a couple of weeks ago. There was only one dealer who had them, but most of them had very sharp portraits and he had from Henry VII through Elizabeth I.
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As I have said before, "I have my eye on those gothics but so does the rest of the world!" Sooner or later my small British collection will grow! Hey, if you haven't heard a British born driver JUST won the 2005 Indianapolis 500!!! Well done Dan Wheldon!!! He's got that British flag waving in Victory Lane right now! Boy, he should have the money to buy all the florins he wants now!
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 Posted 05/29/2005  5:23 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have one 1900 Victoria One Penny,, Does that count as a collection?

Although I do have several Irish coins and a couple of Euro's

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 Posted 05/29/2005  5:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bobby131313 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
quote:
I have one 1900 Victoria One Penny,, Does that count as a collection?


Only if you break it in half.
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 Posted 05/30/2005  04:23 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ætheling to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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Originally posted by Susanlynn9
There was only one dealer who had them, but most of them had very sharp portraits and he had from Henry VII through Elizabeth I.




Henry VII coins seem to come with sharp portraits more regularly than most of the Tudor issues. The profile issue (with the mking facing to the right) is my favourite of Henry's rather than the old fashioned mediæval style with the king facing forward.

Henry VIII well it's hit and miss, the earlier issues using Henry VII's portrait and the early Henry VIII portrait with the king facing right (as Henry VII but fatter) are sometimes found very nicely struck, sometimes a little weak. Depends on you luck really.

The later Henry VIII issues of debased silver, particularly those where he is facing almost forward are rather horrible coins all around, poorly struck (as the alloy was hard), often the real baseness of the silver shows because they'll tone horribly and Henry's nose being the obvious point of wear in circulation soon shows the copper underneath. These issues are not popular with collectors or Henry's contemporaries. They are also harder to find in decent condition due to copper's corrosion rate being greater than silver's.

Edward VI, early issue is just as bad as Henry's last issue for all the same reasons. Edward's fine silver issue however produced some splendid coins, often with nice strikes.

Mary (and Phillip and Mary) well these are my favourite coins of the Tudor bunch, although the silver content of the halfgroat and upwards was very good they suffer from terrible striking. Mary coins are truly frustrating things there's always something wrong with them. You can find a well centred coin with great legends, uncreased, unclipped but the strike will be awful and the image of Mary incomplete.

Then you can come across coins on excellent flans, extremely well struck but they'll have a chip out of the edge and some individual at the time will have shown his disapproval of Mary by scratching the obverse of the coin, or even creasing it by bending it in half and bending it back again.

The general rule is, if it's poorly struck you'll find it's not been tampered with, if it's well struck someone's usually taken a knife to it and defaced Mary.

As for Elizabeth the strike is really varying, some are very well struck indeed, her milled coinage is particularly excellent. Some of her hammered coins are truly awful. With Elizabeth (and James and Charles after her) the main thing to go for is a well struck portrait, even if the legends are abysmal. You usually find if one's good the other's not!
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Originally posted by crystalk64

As I have said before, "I have my eye on those gothics but so does the rest of the world!" Sooner or later my small British collection will grow!



Hmm the Gothic florins. Another sucker dragged in!

I think more US collector's are converted to British by gothic florins than by any other issue. They are truly beautiful coins especially in high grades with nice subtle toning... Cue to Stujoe;

I once thought about collecting gothics by date but finding nice ones of all dates is one very challenging mission. Although one piece of advice I can give as I've given many people interested in Gothic florins over the years is do a short set, the 1880s are your friend. Firstly because 1880s are a bit cheaper in the higher grades and there's only 7 coins to the full set.

1880, 1881, 1883, 1884, 1885, 1886 and 1887.

Actually finding them is another challenge!



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 Posted 05/30/2005  2:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CarlTromp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have two books full with brittish coins at the moment, and a few sets, as well some piedfords, so, not so much, but still looking to increase my collection ;-)

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 Posted 05/30/2005  2:58 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ætheling to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Presumably 20th century? Which denomination/s is/are you favourite/s?

My personal preferences are for florins (especially Gothics, Edward VII and George VI), sixpences (i like sixpences), brass threepences (yes the twelve sided ones), farthings (my father's old interest) and decimal bronze coins from 1971-1984.

I've also got a major soft spot for the modern £2 coins as well.

Actually I think I like most British predecimal coins, they're all interesting in their own right. Half crowns have a certain mistique to them, the large pennies always go down well. Crowns have nice size.

Infact the only ones I'm not too bothered about would be the halfpennies and the small silver threepences.
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 Posted 05/31/2005  4:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CarlTromp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes indead, most is from 1900 till date, but a few older once as well, some detectorfindings, and a few whitch I "think" they must be brittish, but I'm not totally shure of that.
Next to the coins a few medals as well, most wwI, and rememberance stuff.
For the 1/2 and 1 penny's I'm almost finished the series after 1900, just miss a few key dates, 3 pences are also well to find here, 6 pence only those with low silver and nickel, 1/2 crowns and crowns are more difficult to get here.

Do you know why not all pound pieces are listed in Krause?, I have some with differend dates from the "scottish flower" type.?!?!

Greetings, Carl
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 Posted 05/31/2005  5:19 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ætheling to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I haven't got a Krause although I hear quite a few areas are missing here and there from certain countries, but for a work of that size it's expected.

Which one's are missing?

Circulation issues should be thus;

1983 UK - Royal Arms
1984 Scotland - Thistle with crown
1985 Wales - Leek with crown
1986 Ireland - Flax Plant with crown
1987 England - Oak Tree with crown
1988 UK - Royal shield (this is my favourite, seldom seen!)
1989 Scotland - Thistle with crown
1990 Wales - Leek with crown
1991 Ireland - Flax with crown
1992 England - Oak Tree with crown
1993 UK - Royal Arms (as 1983)
1994 Scotland - Rampant Lion/Leopard
1995 Wales - Dragon
1996 Ireland - Celtic Cross
1997 England - Three Lions
1998/1999 (not released into circulation)
2000 Wales - Dragon
2001 Ireland - Cetic Cross
2002 England - Three Lions
2003 UK - Royal Arms
2004 Scotland - Forth Bridge
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 Posted 06/01/2005  4:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CarlTromp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I printed out the list of dates and I will try to check it toorrow, hope I get some time for it!!

(Somedays I hardly tet to annything at all)
I know I miss the last 3 pieces, but I have some silver isseus from the older once, and one in piedford :-)

Greetings, Carl
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 Posted 06/01/2005  5:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ætheling to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here's a totally unofficial guess from me on how these are represented in change.

The following dates are an every day occurrence and it's not unusual to find three or so of them in one handful of change.

1983 (First date of issue, billions of these about)
1985 (As common as 1983)
1984 (A little less common that the first two, but there sure is alot of them)
1993 (Shares the same reverse as the 1983 issue, thus if you just see the reverse first guess you should try is '83, second guess '93)

These dates are also every day occurrences but you might only get two per handful of change.

1986
1995
1996
1997
2000
2001
2003


These dates are usually every day occurrences also but you might only get the one per handful of change.

1989
1990
1991
1992


These are encountered perhaps twice or three times a week.

1987
1994
2004 (i expect this to increase)


These are encountered perhaps once a year, and that's when youre looking! If you find two or three in a year it's been a good haul! I once spent five in one day, three of them together, so someone, if they were paying attention got a very good year!

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 Posted 06/02/2005  12:52 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CarlTromp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
So, I found some time, and here is what I have from the pounds;

1983 UK - Royal Arms
1984 Scotland - Thistle with crown
1985 Wales - Leek with crown
1986 Ireland - Flax Plant with crown
1987 England - Oak Tree with crown
1988 UK - Royal shield
1989 Scotland - Thistle with crown
1990 Wales - Leek with crown
1991 Ireland - Flax with crown
1992 England - Oak Tree with crown
1993 Scotland - Rampant Lion NOT IN CATALOG!!
1993 UK - Royal Arms (as 1983)in nickel/brass and in silver
1993 Coat of arms in Piedfort
1994 Scotland - Rampant Lion in nickel/brass and in silver
1995 Wales - Dragon in nickel/brass and in silver
1996 Ireland - Celtic Cross
1997 England - Three Lions
2000 Wales - Dragon

Less then I thought, but, I still keep looking for the missing once ;-) Carl
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Congratuations! The Scottish reverse 1993 is a forgery.

Seriously fake £1 coins were a serious problem a year or two ago, it got to the point where I was getting one every few days. No one cared much they just went around with the normal ones, most people couldn't even spot them.

Look at the edge of that one, it might even have the wrong edge inscription, Scottish designs should have NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSIT, and not PLEIDOL WYF I'm GWLAD (Welsh) or DECUS ET TUTAMEN (English/Irish/Royal).

I haven't seen many forgeries lately. They used to be lead with gold paint, but I've seen some weak struck proper brass coins lately, perhaps these are not actually real ones at all! :-)

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 Posted 06/02/2005  1:55 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add CarlTromp to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well thank you!!, nice to here I am in the lucky condition to have a false one from GB too :-)

I believe I got it from the bulk kilo's, but am not shure of that, it's a brass type, that I can see, if there are more type's of those false, I am really interrested in them, I have a little corner with false coins in my collection, it happens that I find them, some exaples are the austrian "Maria Theresa" thalers, the gold 10 gulden pieces from the netherlands, and a few 2 1/2 and 3 gulden pieces as well.

Did you know there are "fake" 1 gulden 1999 in gold isseus as well?, always nice to "find" new fakes, it the circulation. It keeps you sharp :-)

Greetings, Carl
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