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1757 Gold 8 Escudo Coin - Any Help?

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 Posted 08/08/2012  03:27 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MathieuMa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I don't want to bring bad news alone, but to me this looks like a jewelry reproduction ...
Coins details are fat/mushy, dentils are strange, portrait feels wrong (there are different styles for it) ...

Here is a similar 8 escudos which I own, from Lima - which has the same portrait style :
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 Posted 08/08/2012  3:02 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add KFitzgerald to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yeah... I dont have a clue if its real or fake although my coin has some small differences than yours... Do you know the diameter of your coin? Also if you look at the crown on my coin and the crown on yours, the crown on my coin is a small space above the coat of arms and on your coin the crown is rested on the arms... Could this be a indication that my coin is fake?
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 Posted 08/08/2012  4:47 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MathieuMa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Here is how your coin should look like : http://www.coinfactswiki.com/wiki/M...MM_8_escudos
But even without comparing it, I'm sure it's wrong ... I'd be glad if someone else would confirm (Swamperbob, are you around ?)

It's a jewelry reproduction, not a fake coin made to fool collectors.
It's worth its gold weight, which is still a nice price :) (but less than a genuine similar coin)
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 Posted 08/08/2012  8:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
KFitzgerald Just saw the thread - got in last night from New England where I picked up a 1744 Mo Eight Escudo slabbed by PCGS as AU 55.

Sorry but there is ZERO chance that your coin is an original. I looked at your pictures which were great and there is NO comparison between your coin and the details of my new piece. Your coin was not made from an authentic die. It is no more than 50-60 years old and quite frankly could be very recent. The transfer technology is still in use.

It is as suggested above a jewelry replica - possibly fine gold but clearly not struck from a punched steel die. Appears from the rounded nature of the lettering and surface texture to be a die reproduced from a picture of an original coin with a transfer technique that lost all the sharpness of the transitions. That is not just rounding caused by wear and polishing but a "flaw" in methodology that is very difficult to hide. The lettering has none of the crispness in the lines that it should have. The details in the shield are also very poorly executed with no sharp details at all. Some of the features are misinterpreted as if possibly recut in the mold.

I would suggest SG to determine the metal value if any. It could be gold plated (especially if very recent) but it could be 900 fine gold if produced in the 1950's or 1960's.

I also picked up a nice cast jewelry forgery of a 1781 Mo 4 Escudo done in a very similar way that tested as 901 fine gold. I got it for 15% under spot value (scrap jewelry rate). Which is fair based on what I can actually sell it for. But for now I am keeping both.



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 Posted 08/09/2012  04:40 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MathieuMa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
swamperbob : can you post a picture of your newly slabbed 8 escudos ? (in another thread)
I like those, and in high grade they are even more impressive :)
I'll post a newly acquired 4 escudos later.
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 Posted 08/09/2012  9:30 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add swamperbob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I had that on my VERY long to do list.


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 Posted 05/30/2013  2:14 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dexaling to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Hello.
I have exactly the same pendant with the coin like the one you asked about. I'd be happy if You have a final conclusion and if you found out if it's an original coin or at least a simple gold coin.
Thank you!
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 Posted 06/02/2013  3:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MathieuMa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
dexaling : please post pictures, that first coin was a jewelery copy - but it doesn't mean all the mounted ones are copies.
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 Posted 06/04/2013  4:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add dexaling to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
hello
the pictures : its 35 gr

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 Posted 06/04/2013  5:37 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add MathieuMa to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This coin is also a jewelery copy, the design is not correct.
You can compare it with mine, which I posted at the top of this topic (top of page 2).
For example, check the legend on the crown side, or the design of the shield. Or the portrait on the other side.
If you are lucky, the coin is still in gold (and not plated) - which would mean it's worth its weight.
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