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 Posted 08/24/2012  9:21 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Sap to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Sorry, but it's definitely a replica. The portrait is very crude for a gold coin and the eagle on the other side is barely recognizable as a bird. I'd also agree that it's a copy of a silver coin, the one Dionysos mentioned. Wildwwinds example.

Your coin might be genuine gold, but it's not a genuine ancient coin.
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 Posted 08/24/2012  9:25 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dionysos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Stylistically, the busts and overall style are quite characteristics on the later ptolemaic tets (Ptolemy X and XII). Hard to part these latest 2 though...

Ptolemy X, svoronos 1680...

http://www.acsearch.info/record.html?id=530323

Ptolemy XII, svoronos 1867...

http://www.acsearch.info/record.html?id=497724

Same monograms in fields.... Stylewise, if the prior attibutions from acsearch are correct, I would now tend to think that it's Ptolemy X ?
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 Posted 08/24/2012  9:32 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stevex6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Ummmm? ... well even "if" it is real, then what an absolute disaster that some jerk decided to make a necklace outta it ... eeccch, that's just nasty, no?



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 Posted 08/24/2012  9:34 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Ptolemy X, svoronos 1680...
The portrait sure looks similar in style, although the flan is really wavy on the reverse--does that happen on genuine coins?
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 Posted 08/24/2012  9:45 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dionysos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
"The portrait sure looks similar in style, although the flan is really wavy on the reverse--does that happen on genuine coins?"

Reverse is weird looking indeed (style, wave/bump ?). I wouldn't say for sure that it's genuine from those pics and with no weight... But there's a chance that it is and, if not, it is probably what it's intended to be
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 Posted 08/25/2012  01:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TallestTree to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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stevex6: Ummmm? ... well even "if" it is real, then what an absolute disaster that some jerk decided to make a necklace outta it ...


That jerk was likely my grandmother. She passed it on to me.


But I do agree making it a necklace bound that way was not a good idea. My grandfather was a metallurgist with degrees from M.I.T. and they traveled the world with his work, so I have no idea where it was purchased, but they did have oodles of disposable income.

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 Posted 08/25/2012  2:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Ancientnoob to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Im late I see... It doesn't appear real to me although it kind of looks like mine.


Ptolemaic Kingdom, Ptolemy XII Neos Dionysos, 80 - 58 B.C. and 55 - 51 B.C.
All references list Alexandria as the mint. However, the ΠÎ' monogram is unmistakably the mint mark of Paphos, Cyprus. 13.77g



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 Posted 08/25/2012  3:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dionysos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The reverse is quite similar to this other Ptolemy X.

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Would definitely need some clearer pics...
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 Posted 08/25/2012  3:26 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add stevex6 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
*awkward*

=> hey sorry, TallestTree ... I guess I should have read your thread from the beginning?!! (I didn't mean to disrespect your Grandmother) ...


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 Posted 08/26/2012  10:33 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TallestTree to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
No worries stevex6. It shows you genuinely care about coins and concern in my quest to determine whether this coin (in a terrible mount setting) is authentic.
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 Posted 08/26/2012  11:14 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add TallestTree to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dionysos, more pics in previous post. But I'm having trouble with better quality as the size limit is 100KB. I took these with two different cameras with varying light and flash combos, camera functions -- took more pics of this coin then I did at a beautiful wedding yesterday -- and these are about as good as I can get it without loosing my mind :)

Although I suppose I could crop the pics of the coin into "pieces of eight" (pun) or sections. Is there a certain area of the coin you, or others, are interested in? Also once I get my patience back, from the many pictures taken and cropping to yield only a couple semi-decent shots, I could try to do some more photos.
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 Posted 08/26/2012  11:24 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Dionysos to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
From the pics, the surface is quite strange on the reverse. Looks bent/wavy/bumpy (?). But the obverse is ok





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