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 Posted 09/05/2012  4:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bpoc1 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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go buy yourself some muriatic acid from the hardware store. Apply a small drop to the date area, wait a few minutes and rinse it off. It's quite cheap, simple and 1000x faster.

Thanks BadThad. Interesting. What about using muriatic acid on dateless silver?
This cleaning/restoration question needs to be directed.
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The muriatic acid for dateless Buff's is a great tip.. Also I am no expert but, from what I read and seen, Olive oil can do permanent damage to coins. I think it is misleading to think that it gives coins a protective coating. The coating is totally un natural and may in fact seal in other contaminants that will do long term damage.



All this cleaning and restoration stuff is VERY informative and educational.. I would love to be able to find it all under one heading.
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 Posted 09/05/2012  11:39 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add smokeriderdon to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
doesn't ruin the copper in relation to something like vinegar or dipping it. And I said completely. As in, it may take off some surface, but is not going to melt it down to slag. I have seen plenty of olive oiled pennies that looked a lot bettr than their grimey verdigris caked selves prior to treatment.
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 Posted 09/06/2012  12:10 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add BadToTheBone to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
The muriatic acid is a new one on me as well as the negatives on the use of olive oil. Please keep the comments coming because I find all of this very interesting and informative. I'm going to do some research on coins with all of the different methods that I find mentioned here hopefully with photos and close ups of the coins before and after; with each method suggested. We all may learn something from this hopefully. Thank You All in helping me in researching this!
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 Posted 09/07/2012  1:59 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add sjh241 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Well it is 2 weeks so I pulled the nickels with easy to read dates. 23 nickels so far, as follows:

1914-2
1914S-1
1915-1
1915S-1
1916-5
1916D-1
1916S-1
1917-1
1917D-1
1917S-1
1918-6
1920-2

Another 17 are still soaking. I'll keep them in for another week. I expect a third to a half to have dates which can be read (some already do, but I'm not sure about a 1916 or 1918 etc...). Some clearly will not be able to be read.

I'll get some pics up over the weekend so you can see what the overall look is for these nickels that were soaked for 2 weeks in white vinegar.

The interesting history about this roll is quite obvious. 90 years ago somebody put a bunch of dateless nickels aside. At some point they got rolled (I wonder if this was the only roll). They turned up in 2012 at a garage sale. I'm sure these coins were with the owner of that house for a long time, since he was "very senior".

I will now take a look at those early date coins for over-dates and double-dies.

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I'll get some pics up over the weekend so you can see what the overall look is for these nickels that were soaked for 2 weeks in white vinegar.

The interesting history about this roll is quite obvious. 90 years ago somebody put a bunch of dateless nickels aside.


Nice job on the date recovery. I would have liked to see the before and after photos. And, correct me if I'm wrong, but 90 years ago? I believe those nickels would have had to have seen quite a few years of circulation for the dates to have worn off. It is possible some may have even circulated up into the 40s and beyond..
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Normally I would agree, but what are the chances of getting every date between 1914 and 1920 of dateless coins in the 30's or 40's in one roll? I guess it's possible 10 or 20 years later to have only those years of worn coins because they were well circulated, and that's what you would find in your change as worn. The ones still in the vinegar are all in the teens too. However, I will never be able to take a date on a few of them unless I try some other way. Perhaps they are after 1920. Who knows.
I didn't think of taking before pics as they were fairly worn Buffalo nickels and I think everyone knows what those look like. I should have done it to be more thorough.
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Normally I would agree, but what are the chances of getting every date between 1914 and 1920 of dateless coins in the 30's or 40's in one roll? I guess it's possible 10 or 20 years later to have only those years of worn coins because they were well circulated, and that's what you would find in your change as worn.


Exactly my point, and not to get too far off the original topic but, logically the earliest coins of a series would see heaviest use within that series. Think of the Lincoln cents found in circulation today. The smoothies are mostly teens and 20's while 60's and 70's are still being found in high grades.
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Thanks brad and sjh for all the reponses in this topic as they have been very informative to a newbie as myself. I have been collecting for some time but have never tried anything on cleaning otter than a little liquid soap and a quick rinse. Now I know that there are other options out there.
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Thanks brad and sjh for all the reponses in this topic as they have been very informative to a newbie as myself. I have been collecting for some time but have never tried anything on cleaning otter than a little liquid soap and a quick rinse. Now I know that there are other options out there.


NEVER use muriatic acid to clean a coin....just want to be clear about that. I was talking about putting ONE DROP over the date area of a dateless Buffalo to bring out the date quickly. IMO, soaking in vineagar for days or weeks is dumb when you bring out the date in minutes with muriatic acid.
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soaking in vineagar for days or weeks is dumb when you bring out the date in minutes with muriatic acid.


Which is exactly why I said just use Nic A Date.
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A question, what would muriatic acid do to a partial-date? I have a 192? and a couple of 193? that I'd like to get an exact year on.
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Keep the Comments coming this should be informative to all of us. Thank you All
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I have an AU Morgan, among other items, that has some tape residue on it and I have been thinking about the Acetone. I have been torn about dipping but recenly caught a show on TV about coins and a guy from PCGS mention that they use acetone to clean areas of coins sometimes. I figured if they can use it so can I.
I wanted to ask if the Vinager Buffs have any value after they are soaked. I would have to assume they are now damaged and have no value, however they were pretty worthless without the dates anyway.
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Monkeyman67 I would try the Vinegar on a newer penny and put a piece of tape on it leave it set a bit and then try the vinegar for 30 seconds or so(maybe a piece of duck tape that is more sticky and will leave residue for sure). And try the same with Acetone. Coins that I have done with mint luster have come out looking natural in vinegar but I have never used coins that I really save in my collection except 1 penny in one of my albums and I have noted that I used vinegar to remove some tar. Best of Luck to you in whatever you decide.
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