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Pit Your Skills Against PCGS! Grades Posted!

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 Posted 04/13/2007  8:05 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scoutjim99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dave does that 1892 Dime have a clashed die error it appears to have the reverse showing through on the obverse, I do see the hairlines on both the halves in question, they look consistent with those of a an old cleaning , but they are isolated to just a small area and I wont have body bagged them, Jaobler I have a coin grave yard at my house, for you I will bury them into my collection free of charge ....LOL
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 Posted 04/13/2007  9:17 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Scoutjim, the Dime has some of the heaviest clashing I've ever seen, both obverse and reverse. That's what drew me to it.

There will likely be a repeat of this project, some time down the road.
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 Posted 04/13/2007  9:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add scoutjim99 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
I have found some older clashed dies as well on the Barber series Very Nice.


I clearly see the 1830 Bust as a VF now not sure why I didn't before However the Buffalo photo I believed the coin to be in MS condition from the photo I do not see the wear , And I believe I do a good job on grading them they are hard to grade but that one eludes me some how
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 Posted 04/14/2007  1:42 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add Metalman to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Dave

I think the cent got hit by the pops ,, unless the grader is a stikler for the reverse of the coin and deducted for the small hit .

The rest I'm ok with,, the Buffalo series is a tough one ,,between strike and wear especially by photo.

the 2 cent coins I did good on,, one exact and 1 point high on the other ,, I'm slightly surprised by the franklin grade ,, I may have to go back and take a second look at my coins .

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 Posted 04/14/2007  9:29 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add halfabustisbetter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Good project, it was very interesting to see where PCGS and I deviate and I'm glad to know that I am generally tougher on my coins than they are.

I also feel that the "cleaned" designation on the 1837 may be undeserved. But better (for PCGS) to send the coin back than to have someone buy it down the road at a Heritage auction or something and then crack it out and notice the hairlines. However the "cleaning" or the "wiping" or whatever affects the "grade," it's still an awfully nice coin.

P.S. I'm not a big fan of coin grading services in general, and I always try to buy the coin.
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 Posted 04/14/2007  10:31 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add SsuperDdave to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
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But better (for PCGS) to send the coin back than to have someone buy it down the road at a Heritage auction or something and then crack it out and notice the hairlines.


That's an important point - it's a shame that they should have to think that way, because it gets in the way of the reality of the coin in front of them. This is the basic problem with TPG's.
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 Posted 04/15/2007  12:59 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add halfabustisbetter to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Yes, SuperDave, I'm glad you get my point. (My wife says I don't explain myself very well).

To me TPG is a lot like "No Coin Left Behind." You're trying to find a one-test fits all approach to things that are best looked at individually. If I have to pick an approach, I much prefer the ANACS method of at least making an effort to deal with the actual coin in hand.

TPG firms will do their best to keep from becoming irrelevant and losing revenue, but they're always going to be about their own revenue and they will never care one bit about my coin collection unless I pay them to. To me, that's just sad.
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I received some free grading vouchers from ICG and I decided to give my PCGS-reject half dollars another grading try. Once again my 1899-S half was rejected as "cleaned". I sure would like to know what they see wrong with this coin. When I go shopping I want to know whether a coin has been cleaned, before I consider buying it! Here are new photos of this coin. I still don't see the problem....


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But there is good news. ICG agrees with SuperDave about my 1837 half: NOT CLEANED!

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