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How I Test For Silver Ag .925 - This May Help You

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I'll start by telling you my background and experience. I have been dealing in antiques and collectibles for almost 25 years. Currently, I own a pawnshop. I have been doing this for over 6 years. I notice lots of people testing for silver but not doing ALL the tests to save them from a mistake or loss of money. I realize you cannot or may not have the luxury to perform these tests in the field. I know what I'm sharing is not etched in stone but if you can take away information that can help you or save you money, then I've done my job. I do not like the electric karat checker or tester. I have seen people misinterpret the results or get a false reading.

I'll start with the typical large link silver chain. This one weighs 68.3 grams (about 60 dollars in metal)
How-I-Test-For-Silver-Ag-.925---This-May-Help-You

This one is stamped .925.

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Normally, I'd do the magnet test first but for this demonstration, I'll do it last. The first test for this chain is my scratch test. Using a test stone I scratch a large amount of silver from a link (not an end piece). A nice heavy scratch.
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I DO NOT use silver acid. Use the acid for 18k Gold test. The reaction should be a milky white to bluish color. It may take a second or two to show up. If it eats it away, it's not silver. Test done.

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We have a good response. Silver? Wait. My next test is the destructive test. Using a small file, make a DEEP notch into the piece. DEEP. Half way is good, more is better.
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Then, using the 18k gold acid, apply to the notch. Your response should be a mild foam but not a violent bubbling reaction. In this case I had a violent, bubbling reaction.


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Using a very strong earth magnet, NOT A REFRIGERATOR magnet, try to pick up or move the chain.

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Since I was able to move the chain with the magnet, it is NO GOOD for silver. This chain is a heavy plated.

One other test I wanted to share is on a silver knife handle.

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Scratch test showed a good reaction.


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I did the file test on this second.

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Notice the reaction with the acid.


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In this test the silver turned green. This is plated, probably over copper. Not silver or .925. Remember, stainless steel holds up under any of the metal acid tests. Be careful.
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 Posted 11/07/2012  2:18 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add nicscoin to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Very nice tutorial thanks..
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Mds Thanks for the information. In the scratch test you used a test stone. What material is the test stone? Just trying to learn.
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It's a slightly porous material but I don't know what it's made of. It reminds me of a very or extra fine sharpening stone or unfinished porcelain. Maybe somebody else can tell us.

You can buy the acid test kit from National Jewelers Suppliers and I believe the stone is included.
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A complete acid test kit will run you around $50 but could save you a fortune. I to use the Gold acid on silver I don't trust the silver acid formulation.
If the customer has a problem with you cutting a large chunk you can use a number 70 drill bit and drill a hole through the item and do the test through the hole. The hole is very small and easy to fill should they decide not to sell the item.
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Some literally priceless info, thanks mds!
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Good info!
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A complete acid test kit will run you around $50 but could save you a fortune


nohope587, at National Jewelery you can get the acid bottles for around 2-3 dollars each. Even if they charged you for a stone (more than likely less than 5 dollars), all grades of acid test solutions 10k, 14k, 18k, 22k, and platinum, would probably cost you less than 20 dollars. There is no need to get the silver acid.

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I notice some different variables on different
acid test kits/chemicals. Of course old bad acid does
not work properly but some state that .925 should turn
dark red (not bright red) and some state creamy white. I've had both results with known .925 using a good silver acid strength.
Ever try the 22K or platinum on silver ?
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Ever try the 22K or platinum on silver ?


Indian1,
I may have done it, but I don't recall. I would believe that these acids would eat silver.
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thanks mds308 for that great info, I usually use just lime juice or concentrated vinegar, just to avoid physicaly damaging the coin.
your info is more reliable and great to try on jewelry. thanks!
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Basic Kit
http://www.nationaljewelerssupplies...TTES808.html

Or Stone $5.95
Acid 12g $1.99 per bottle

So yes it would be cheaper to buy the components unfortunately when I got my kit I was unaware of NJS


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Not For Use On Coins

And a destructive test should never be used on coins or a potentially valuable piece of jewelry or historically valuable too. Sometimes you have to rely on a magnet, knowledge, prayer and a little luck.
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Hello,

a)
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Of course old bad acid does not work properly


The shelf life of any testing chemical can be greatly extended indefinitely just by storing these chemicals in temperatures less than 75 degrees F but greater than 45 degrees F.

A universally accepted law of chemistry is as follows:

‘ALL chemical reactions will greatly accelerate to their end point when exposed to higher temperatures.'

But just like any fuel cell the ability for any chemical to perform its intended purpose is diminished if the chemical(s) have run through their normal intended life cycle.

As an example of this theory try dissolving an Alka Selzer tablet in a glass of ice water and compare its rate of dissolution to that when dissolved in 90 degree heated water: dramatically different.

The solution is to NEVER store these test chemicals in a car trunk, for example, having the potential to super heat during the summer... These chemicals can simply be stored in a lunch container having a frozen bag of peas or similar device setting on top...

b) inconspicuous metal testing instrumentation:

Keep in mind that any unscrupulous manufacturer of plated jewelry (marked 14k or .925) will on average plate just enough thickness (2 â€" 3 mm max) of gold or silver to give the impression that the jewelry piece is solid 14k gold or 92.5% silver, for example. Any additional amount of plating thickness unnecessarily costs them more $.

When one digs in an unsightly and lengthy scratch from a file the mark is usually overkill since the same end result can be achieved by using an inexpensive metal engraver.

These devices are inexpensive, easily penetrate the important 2 â€" 3 mm surface plating, and will drill even deeper if required resulting in virtually no destruction of the piece.

The desired end result from a battery operated hand-held engraver pen is a 2 mm diameter hole having a depth of about 2 mm.

Then one can simply ‘dip' a STAINLESS STEEL drill bit or pin immersed to a depth of about ½ inch in the acid's container and then touch this acid-coated applicator to the surface of the slightly drilled hole.

It is amazing how easily exposed copper, for example, under the plating will still violently bubble or turn black within this small opening with the acid exposure.

If interested, one may visit the following vendor to purchase one of these engraving pens for about $ 10 plus S/H or visit a local store to save the shipping charges.

http://www.harborfreight.com/micro-...r-98227.html

I would try to avoid using a stone if possible since 'accurate' metal composition determination is often diminished since the top 2 - 3 mm is what is usually tested when implementing a stone...

Finally, if you encounter a questionable and potentially valuable object requiring further clarification for gold content make sure you have established a good relationship with a jeweler having a S.G.(specific gravity) measuring device which is second only to a mass spectrometer.

IMHO
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This engraving pen that you mentioned, what would you use it for? does it work without electric?
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Hi,


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This engraving pen that you mentioned, what would you use it for?


This cordless(no AC or DC current required) engraving pen which uses two(2) triple A batteries is intended to replace a manually operated file which creates a more noticeable mark.

Both methods' end result is to obviously cut through the outer gold or silver plated layer thus exposing the reactive(using various concentrations of nitric acid) inner metallic core etc.

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