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Gold - Augustus1's - Nerva
Silver - Augustus1's - Julius Caesar
Bronze - Bing's - Augustus
Martin
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GOLD - augustus1.... Nerva denarius
Silver - augustus1... Caesar denarius
Bronze - malamute67... Caesar denarius
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gold: dionysos and his JC...look at that elephant!
silver: bings augustus
bronze: augustus1 nerva....look at tht nose!
honorable mention: not votable entries but t0rres and DS's coins were GREAT.
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But dionysos's JC is modern. Stamped with F.
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Gold - Augustus1's - Nerva
Silver - Augustus1's - Julius Caesar
Bronze - Bing's - Augustus
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maridvnvm, I'm not convinced that it is modern  It was sold as genuine by Sabine Bourgey at Hotel Drouot in Rouen in 2009, within lot of roman coins that was part of an old coin collection (Jean Kerhor (1876-1974), great grand nephew of Diderot). The coin in itself, seen without considering the "F", seems ok. The style is good and it look as if it has been struck. I bought it as "genuine, with a collector counterstamp", but that "F" always made me wonder, as anyone else evidently  |
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I think I just jumped to the conclusion that it was stamped as F (for Fake / False etc.) without giving it much thought. I haven't seen many examples in this superb condition to be able to compare style. I apologise as I appear to have jumped to the wrong conclusion.
Martin
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No problem Martin, really  It's a very legitimate thing to question such a coin given it's condition. I, myself, never got through it. I researched the countermark for possible association with a known collection, the collector for possible provenance, the coin itself for die matches,... I still do not have a clear opinion about it, doubts subsist. |
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Aurum: Augustus1's Julius Caesar Elephant
Argentium: Bing's Augustus Denarius
Popyrus: Dionysus's Julius Caesar Elephant... Very interesting, not matter if real or old fake
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BRONZE: Ancientnoob #2 Augustus quadrans with prominent simpulum
SILVER: Eng5858 Tiberius/Pontius Pilate with simpulum as the type
GOLD: maridvnvm Antoninus Pius left-facing as with lovely high-relief artistic (if small) depicition of a simpulum
-- Warren
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Dionysos on the bottom left of your there seems to be a small letter which looks like a P. Any idea what that might be?
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echizento, just a tiny nick on the coin, does not look like nothing in hand.
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Can you find another authentic coin with the "F" counterstamp?
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Dionysos- I have seen you have many fabulous top tier ancient coins, and seem well... neck deep in the hobby? Have you ever been able to find another coin with this collector's stamp? I am sure they are out there. In your own experience is it more likely that the coin is modern with a "FALSE or FAKE" mark. Or a collectors counter stamp. Anyway you look at it the coin is quite nice, I certainly wouldn't mind having it.  . I personally think it looks legit, I can definitely see why the mark would be troublesome. |
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Ancientnoob, I've seen a "modern" (17-18th cent.) coin with a similar countermark a few years ago. In the collection from wich this coin came from there were a few others that also had an identical counterstamp, none of them were ancient (15th cent. and up if I remember correctly) except this one. Note that the countermark was applied after the manufacture of the coin itself, resulting in a break visible on the other side (see pic below). Also, the toning is far more pronounced on the obv. than on the rev, giving the impression that it sat a long time in a display, obverse up. I like to think that the coin is genuine, but I wouldn't bet my life on it... As said before, I wouldn't have much doubts if it were not for the countermark but, since it's there, it's the first thing that one sees, including me.  |
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