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1858 10 Cent Marker

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 Posted 10/25/2013  10:24 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add collector67 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
This variety was in the 2009 Charlton in the 10 cent varieties section page 388.

Thinking it should be fairly well known after close to 5 years in Charlton. They are just not seen in the market due to scarcity showing up 1 or 2 a year for sale.

Zonads find is only 2 years in Charlton.
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After an extensive review of my personal hoard of nine specimens of the 1858 "Blundered I" (I for 1 in DEI), I am proposing that this variety was struck using at least two distinct reverse working dies. My study—which includes a certified ICCS VF-20 and an EF-40 currently consigned at Heritage—shows two consistent, non-overlapping die failure patterns.
Die A: The 10:00 Wreath Failure (Common)
The Diagnostic: A sharp die crack originating from the denticle at 10 o'clock, traveling through the maple leaves, and terminating precisely under the 3rd leaf on the left side of the wreath.
Observations: This appears to be the workhorse die. My EF-40 specimen at Heritage is a clear example of this state.
Die B: The 4:00 Lower Failure (Scarce)
The Diagnostic: A smaller, more subtle break originating between the denticles at 4 o'clock, extending under the 6th leaf, and terminating before reaching the vine.
Observations: This state is significantly scarcer in my research pool, representing a minority of the nine-coin sample.
Analysis
Because the "Blundered I" punch is identical across both Die A and Die B, the error almost certainly originated on the Master Hub. The different failure points (10:00 vs. 4:00) prove that multiple working dies were used. In my study, I have found zero specimens showing both breaks and zero specimens entirely free of a break, suggesting these working dies were under extreme stress from the first strike.
Community Feedback Requested:
Have you seen an 1858 "Blundered I" that lacks both of these specific breaks?
Do you have a specimen that shows the 10:00 and 4:00 breaks on the same coin?
Can anyone confirm these specific breaks on a standard 1858 10-cent (non-blundered)?
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 Posted 02/26/2026  5:41 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add okiecoiner to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
We discussed this coin at length on the old CCRS coin site10-15 years ago. There was a great deal of opinion on the designation of "blundered I", as some info from some ardent collectors and folks with access to the mint records. Our opinion was that it wasn't a blundered I at all, it was an alignment mark for the die. You can find them some other early Canadian coinage as well. I'm in the alignment mark school, not an "I" mistake.
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 Posted 02/27/2026  3:03 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add collector67 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
TPG are attributing as Blundered I as well as recent reference material.
May is more focused determining die pairing as there appears to be more then one reverse die pairing.
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 Posted 03/01/2026  11:06 am  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add majoly83 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Found one in my small childhood collection.

Not really sure what to look for so adding my pictures. If needed I can try to focus on specific spots to have a better view

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 Posted 03/01/2026  12:54 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add collector67 to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply
Your die break is at 4 o'clock
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Or between 3 and 4 I posted 4
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 Posted 03/01/2026  7:22 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add bosox to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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Because the "Blundered I" punch is identical across both Die A and Die B, the error almost certainly originated on the Master Hub.


I respectfully disagree with this statement.

First, the die records still exist and show only one 1858 ten-cent obverse matrix and one ten-cent 1858 obverse punch were created.

Second, although the 1858 ten-cent obverse punch no longer exists, the singular 1858 ten-cent obverse matrix does still exist. I have personally examined it, and it has no such mark above the I in DEI.

It seems to me that one obverse die was married to both your reverse Dies A and B. The so-called "blundered I" mark was on that obverse die, not the punch or matrix.
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can you post up images of the reverse of the first coin, and maybe you should start a new topic for the one you just picked up for a separate discission on it.
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