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Pillar of the Community
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Hey West! Nice to hear you got some more elephants! Yes, I also have noticed that on a few, exact same thing you mention. I also got one that had some of those milk spots but ehhh I cant live with it, its not that terrible Now, I picked up recently older Somalia elephant coins from years past, including colored and gilded ones and I got them in capsules already and its like they have nada on them, just like to me, they are perfect, one of them has like really smallll rub wear but its nothing at all that detracts from beauty of these coins especially for being 8 years old! Keep in mind too, these aren't proof, I can just imagine what the high relief proof elephant coin is going to look like! *falls over*. I have several proof sets of the somalia elephants and the finish is IMMACULATE! So I think yes its all about the process as they are made. I have seen graded individual proof 1 oz coins going for about 60-70 on ebay I believe so you might want to keep an eye out on that and just see how nice they are!
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That's about the only thing I can find as far as "anomalies" with these 2013 Elephant bullion coins. Of all the ones I've examined up close so far, I didn't see a single scuff or scratch mark. I consider that pretty amazing especially with the mirror finish! The common wear areas on the parts of the frosted Elephants (shiny silver underneath) doesn't detract much from the appearance IMO. It kind of blends in and you can't see it when tilting the coin. Night and day when comparing to the scuffs, scratches, dings, milk spots on my Canada Silver Maples. These came directly from RCM boxes so, it's from their mfg. process and not something the vendor did. I'm hoping APMEX lowers the premiums a final time in anticipation of the new 2014 coins. I could go for a 3rd batch before moving on the 2014's. APMEX has one more 2013 proof set for sale, and, it's really expensive. I can't see myself splurging on that. I might get the colorized and gilded 2013's though.
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@West Yes I agree. I went back and looked at my 2012s, 2013s, the colored, the gilded, and the other ones I have that are bullion and its like, like you say, it doesn't detract from the beauty of the coin. I mean they are so beautiful, the detail, the finish, I think these are true gems in the collecting world of coins. Yes I would keep stalking APMEX because I believe last time they slashed the prices on rolls of them, in fact I think right now they are the best priced in a roll that I have seen, which I was really surprised. As for a set, take a look at ebay, one dealer was offering a set for 258 or best offer, I have ordered in the past from several of those German dealers and have had no problem in getting my orders in a timely manner. In fact its pretty nice to get access to these German dealers because these coins are VERY popular in Europe. I have said this before, but it was an eye opener to see the value of these coins after a couple of years, like WOW! Reminds me of the Pandas, which were a favorite of mine but no longer.
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Looked over all the Elephants in this batch and around half the coins had that noticeable frost wear on the trunk/ear of the elephant on the far left. Frost wear on the side of the baby elephant is another common area, but, that doesn't bother me. Anyways, no biggie, I'll call them Monday since they have a refund/exchange policy.
Spot price made another move downward Friday. I'm sure everybody's wondering how low spot goes and how long it stays there. Well, I'd definitely have much more silver if I had slowed the pace of purchasing the past 3 months(giving the spot price a chance to fall). Admittedly, I was in a hurry to get a certain amount established as a base. Now that I have that base established, I'll proceed with patience. Looking forward to lower spot prices and the coming of the new 2014 coins.
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@West
I think, seeing these are bullion coins, I mean you cant beat the finish and at least they don't have the issues like the recent silver 1 oz Britannia and their production issues.
Yes, I think lower prices in silver and gold will once again happen based on the price action. That's going to give a chance to snap up more coins. I really been stalking these elephants, even older issues as I hope that the lower prices in silver spurs people to sell, and dropping some of the numismatic value on these coins, which shoot, is great for a collector like me going wayyy back. In any case, I would not be surprised to see a test of 20 silver, then a breach to get us into 18-19.
I would say, if you really want to, nibble at 20 on a few elephants. Whether stacking, buying to collect or just wanting to invest, I would rather sink money into the Somalia elephants over the China pandas.
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Pillar of the Community
Japan
666 Posts |
China pandas is a brand already and sure bet that the prices will rise. Elephants just starting to grow though even the price for 2012 is pretty high.
BTW, do you know the real mintage for elephants? especially 2010,2011, 2012
P.S. I'm lacking BU coins for years 2007-2010, for the asking price I'd better add earlier years panda....
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@Bekiz
well... I was doing some tracking after it was brought to my attention from member postings here.... and the Pandas didn't hold up well with the selling. Granted nor did elephants, in terms of current dates, but using my experience in price with trading, looking at these coins from a purely trading viewpoint (which I don't do because I am collecting only) but IF I was going to be stacking, I would reduce my purchases of Pandas and swing more towards Elephants over them. But that's just me, its clear that the Elephants as they age year over year increase in value.
Looking at the Pandas, they continue to ramp up production.
The mintage on the elephants, you know I will have to put that on my list. Don't quote me but I thought I had seen one wholesaler saying it was limited to 6,500 on the BU regular silver elephants, but again don't quote me. I will tho look into that.
Since I am completely NEW to this in regards to the elephants (I was going to plug my panda collection but said forget it done with them) I been going back, buying up Somalian elephants from back dates... going off the top of my head I believe Somalia started with the elephants in 2004... picking up from Zambia I believe don't have my notes in front of me right now....
in any case,I think as prices drop in silver now is the time to start plugging holes in collections. In regards to the Somalia elephants I am being aggressive in snatching up what I find for my collection.
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Pillar of the Community
Japan
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yup, I have no idea what dealer told you about 6500 mintage for BU as my friend who is in Germany and does business selling bullion told me that I can have whatever number of Elephants I can imagine. Though it was not true for african wild life series rhinos (5K mintage) and cheetahs(10k mintage, and the first in series that increased the mintage twice). So, as soon as demand picks up the mintage will follow. The reason earlier elephants rose that much is the increased mintage of 2010,2011 elephants, let alone 2012 and 2013. Moreover for the supposed mintage of 6500 the price for elephants is too low. Just food for thought.
I believe that Zambia is a part of collection, so Somali just took the lead forward from Zambia. Anyway early dates Zambia elephants are still affordable and should be bought by collector in order to have complete set, IMO
As of low spot and completing the holes you are right, though I don't know what is the right price. The price I had in mind is too low as I missed gold plated early elephants for $65/ea.
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Ummm, I said don't quote me on that. Like I said, I will go ask. I have built up a long list of contacts in European as well so I am sure I can get an idea. Furthermore, I am willing to place my bets that the elephants have a much lower run than the Pandas.
And, the Somalia elephants are NOT the same as Rwanda wildlife, so I am not sure why you are mixing the two, these are two entire different product lines.
I still feel going forward, Pandas are losing their luster in the market. (no pun intended).
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Pillar of the Community
Japan
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I'm mixing Rwanda wildlife here in order to show that 5K mintage should have been priced very differently. But elephants re cheaper and there are more people who are buying them ... so home come price is still low? It simply means that there are much more. As of 2012, I had an offer 1.5 years ago to get 1000 coins at the price of ASE ... low mintage and the price tag did not correspond here. So, elephants are responding to the demand as well, and look exactly like pandas ... here's very good source for mintage for 2011-2013 http://www.emporium-hamburg.com/ind...hp?id=91&L=2notice 2012 - BU mintage numbers are blank, while PROOF - 5K (maybe that's the number your dealer referred to) BTW, look at the last pdf file, where it is obvious that Zambia elephants are part of this series. P.S.BTW, yup, before elephants there were Somalian Monkey bullion. As far as I know the series ended when elephants started their ride.
Edited by bekiz 06/10/2013 03:37 am
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United States
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Just to confirm, I fetched a roll from my first batch of 2013 Elephants (purchased perhaps 3 mos. ago, before they ran out and then restocked last month). Every coin looks pristine flawless. All those rolls will be same cause I would've noticed the flaw.
To me, I feel it's worth the bother.. so, requested RMA to either exchange or refund the big flawed ones. When I get that, will mull over what to do then. Anyways, it is a lovely coin and definitely worth having in my collection.
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Pillar of the Community
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@Bekiz
Oh ok I gotcha now! And yes, that sounds about right. I agree with you the price is telling. Yet on the flip side, try and buy a 2 year dated Somalia elephant coin and its got a premium in a short bit of time. Nice info,tho, thank you for sharing.
@West
So this purchase that you are returning, this was just handful of coins, not a roll of elephants then? Nice job on getting a roll, really been thinking of doing the same to round out my collection of Somalian elephants.
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Pillar of the Community
Japan
666 Posts |
yup, any idea of the fair price for 2007-2011 BU elephants?
P.S. I read that mintage for 2009 was 30 000 coins
Edited by bekiz 06/11/2013 09:20 am
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About 1/4 looked fine like my 1st batch. Another 1/4 had some frost wear only on the side of the baby Elephant. I'm okay with this. The remaining 1/2 had frost wear on all 3 elephants. These I plan to return.
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Pillar of the Community
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@Bekiz give me a few and I'll follow up with some suggestions targets on those years
@West- well that doesn't sound bad at all.hopefully you'll get what you want. I gotta say, and maybe I might be biased, but as far as bullion coins go, these elephants are hard to beat quality wise.
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