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Buying Uncleaned Roman Coins

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 Posted 01/13/2013  3:10 pm  Show Profile   Bookmark this reply Add DVCollector to your friends list Get a Link to this Reply

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There is a lot more to it than that. Many coins are found in areas that ain't archaeologist dig sites. And those that have found a lot of coins have reported their finds and have found many places that were studied that may not have otherwise been found.
Recovery of coins isn't always unauthorized or detrimental to archeological sites. Buried coins don't usually figure into the most important finds--such as burials of high-status persons, often pre-dating the coinage period. A good example is the Varna necropolis in present-day Bulgaria. But sure--grave looting goes on to this day as it has for thousands of years. Prior to our modern era where burial objects are valued in their own right, they were simply reduced to their most liquid assets, ie gold, silver, or precious stones, often destroying the works outright and losing all historical context. Today, few looters would melt down a Scythian gold ornament for its metal content--which despite a loss of data to archaeologists, still isn't the total loss as previously.

Specifically to coins, some say that every coin dug outside the auspices of a regulated dig represents a "loss of culture". Naturally, this depends on the context of their burial and what the government considers their cultural history--is a Roman coin found on German soil a "cultural artifact--whose culture precisely"? I won't argue this point; states are free to define their cultural antiquity as it suits them. With some 'history' in archaeology publishing, I see coins more as artifacts of trade than culture. Since coins are often dispersed far outside their cultural point of origin, and were used (and later buried) for monetary worth, what story they tell is more on the coin itself than its context of burial. Coins stand on their own as individual pieces of history--representing the politics, beliefs, and art of the particular state where they were minted. That's why I collect.

Well, that was an earful--if you got this far, thanks for reading.
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01/13/2013 3:19 pm
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There is no such thing as a "reputable" seller of uncleaned ancient coins.


There is no such thing as an "answer" to this debate, I've seen it argued 000's of times. I can see both points of view, Archaeologists and detectorists, neither are 100% correct or without blame.

The truth is they need each other, Archaeologists don't find new sites on the whole, men in muddy fields with detectors do, remember they are working for nothing all over the country.

To suggest that all coins should be turned over to the authorities shows massive ignorance, recorded maybe but even then I suspect it could be information overload. In truth the authorities would not be interested in keeping 99% of what is found.


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There is no such thing as a "reputable" seller of uncleaned ancient coins.


This statement is incorrect, they do exist.

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I've purchased several lots from "oldcoinman" on ebay and will do so again. His lots have included several silver-washed coins and others which have revealed excellent details after cleaning.
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Rasiel Suarez over at dirtyoldcoins.com has always impressed me with the quality of the uncleaned coins he sends me.-ancientcoinguy

I bought from him a year ago, he is a good seller.
I bought an "uncleaned byzantine coin" that after cleaning turned out to be a Spanish colonial Cob, but so what, it was still interesting. Still, Rasiel sent me a replacement, Byzantine this time

Most of the AE's I've seen with the tag "uncleaned" on the UK e**y site are not worth the time browsing, never mind bidding on, since they are worn at best, and normally "Barbarous Radiate + Worn" at worst.

You are from Canada, and there is a seller of unclened ancient coins based in Canada, most of us know that seller, I bought from him a year ago also, but have not checked to see if he is still trading.
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