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Pillar of the Community
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There is a lot more to it than that. Many coins are found in areas that ain't archaeologist dig sites. And those that have found a lot of coins have reported their finds and have found many places that were studied that may not have otherwise been found. A lot of coins found and stored in a museum will be in buckets, and stored in other ways and never fully studied such as amateur numismatists would, even professionals. You can also read articles at the ACCG to read the other side of the debate and learn more. http://www.accg.us/home.aspx
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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speaking of the antiquities trade, I like UK dug coins because I know these are always dealt with properly.
Also, I have some ancient egyptian stuff which was sold on the streets of cairo to one of my long dead relations (or so I'm told). That's definitely been done illegally, which is quite sad. But they need to be authenticated, I have my doubts about their authenticity.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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Rasiel Suarez over at dirtyoldcoins.com has always impressed me with the quality of the uncleaned coins he sends me. Every one so far has been fully attributable, and they are not really that expensive. He throws return buyers a bone every once-in-a-while which is really cool.
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Moderator
 United States
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I haven't bought any uncleaned coins in a long while, when I did they all came from sellers on e-bay.
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Valued Member
 Canada
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Thanks for the information. To those in the UK is there any way for a novice collector to contact the "European detectors" directly.
I cannot wait to begin my adventure with these coins. I am trying to acquire as much info as I can right now.
The people on these threads have been awesome.
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Pillar of the Community
United States
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I've only purchased off ebay also. I only buy them if I can see the actual coins also, prefer a front and back view.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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I recommend going onto the UK ebay and looking about. But hey, dont start sniping my lots! Metal detector finds which are described with strange titles have done me well - I paid £1 per coin for a lot a while ago, which is comparatively steep compared to other purchases - but its description meant that nobody noticed all the really nice stuff and there was a lot fo it (marcian, hadrian, loads of 5th century stuff) Tips: You live in America, so anything that finishes at a good time for you is good - it means you have a good chance of getting it cheap. My cheapest buys have finished at silly-oclock when nobody is bothering to check ebay or are sleeping or eating. Havign that happen int he US means only US buyers surfing the UK ebay will be about to snipe it.
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Valued Member
United Kingdom
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Quote: Also, I have some ancient egyptian stuff which was sold on the streets of cairo to one of my long dead relations (or so I'm told). That's definitely been done illegally, which is quite sad. But they need to be authenticated, I have my doubts about their authenticity. Similar story here  My great great Uncle was the Viceroy of Cairo and when he visited my great great grandparents he brought loads of Egyptian furniture over(brass tables, chairs, tobacco jars and stuff). He also brought over a big box of decorated brick work which I would guess is pretty ancient(They now take pride of place in my Grandparents loft gathering dust!). Supposedly some 'really old coins' also came over however I am not sure how true that is. I have not seen/found them  .
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United Kingdom
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Valued Member
 Canada
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My motivation for buying uncleaned coins is really quite simple- for the fun of it.
I have the time and resources to do it as a hobby. It also gives me a chance to touch history. I am an avid reader of all things Roman.
Patience is something I have and while the coins are going through the process of revealing themselves I can educate myself along the way.
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Valued Member
 Canada
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One thing I forgot to say is that I really like the sense of community on these threads.
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Bedrock of the Community
United States
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Quote: There is a lot more to it than that. Many coins are found in areas that ain't archaeologist dig sites. And those that have found a lot of coins have reported their finds and have found many places that were studied that may not have otherwise been found.  Recovery of coins isn't always unauthorized or detrimental to archeological sites. Buried coins don't usually figure into the most important finds--such as burials of high-status persons, often pre-dating the coinage period. A good example is the Varna necropolis in present-day Bulgaria. But sure--grave looting goes on to this day as it has for thousands of years. Prior to our modern era where burial objects are valued in their own right, they were simply reduced to their most liquid assets, ie gold, silver, or precious stones, often destroying the works outright and losing all historical context. Today, few looters would melt down a Scythian gold ornament for its metal content--which despite a loss of data to archaeologists, still isn't the total loss as previously. Specifically to coins, some say that every coin dug outside the auspices of a regulated dig represents a "loss of culture". Naturally, this depends on the context of their burial and what the government considers their cultural history--is a Roman coin found on German soil a "cultural artifact--whose culture precisely"? I won't argue this point; states are free to define their cultural antiquity as it suits them. With some 'history' in archaeology publishing, I see coins more as artifacts of trade than culture. Since coins are often dispersed far outside their cultural point of origin, and were used (and later buried) for monetary worth, what story they tell is more on the coin itself than its context of burial. Coins stand on their own as individual pieces of history--representing the politics, beliefs, and art of the particular state where they were minted. That's why I collect.  Well, that was an earful--if you got this far, thanks for reading.
Edited by DVCollector 01/13/2013 3:19 pm
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Quote: There is no such thing as a "reputable" seller of uncleaned ancient coins. There is no such thing as an "answer" to this debate, I've seen it argued 000's of times. I can see both points of view, Archaeologists and detectorists, neither are 100% correct or without blame. The truth is they need each other, Archaeologists don't find new sites on the whole, men in muddy fields with detectors do, remember they are working for nothing all over the country. To suggest that all coins should be turned over to the authorities shows massive ignorance, recorded maybe but even then I suspect it could be information overload. In truth the authorities would not be interested in keeping 99% of what is found. Quote: There is no such thing as a "reputable" seller of uncleaned ancient coins. This statement is incorrect, they do exist.
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Rest in Peace
United States
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I've purchased several lots from "oldcoinman" on ebay and will do so again. His lots have included several silver-washed coins and others which have revealed excellent details after cleaning.
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Pillar of the Community
United Kingdom
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Quote: Rasiel Suarez over at dirtyoldcoins.com has always impressed me with the quality of the uncleaned coins he sends me.-ancientcoinguy I bought from him a year ago, he is a good seller. I bought an "uncleaned byzantine coin" that after cleaning turned out to be a Spanish colonial Cob, but so what, it was still interesting. Still, Rasiel sent me a replacement, Byzantine this time  Most of the AE's I've seen with the tag "uncleaned" on the UK e**y site are not worth the time browsing, never mind bidding on, since they are worn at best, and normally "Barbarous Radiate + Worn" at worst. You are from Canada, and there is a seller of unclened ancient coins based in Canada, most of us know that seller, I bought from him a year ago also, but have not checked to see if he is still trading.
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